Beyond Alpha Centauri:: Discussion Thread 2

[Lonestar]

Re: Re: Re: University!!!

Originally posted by Mellian



Protectorate.. Beta Hydri is located east of Sol.... but since they currently have territorial interaction with the Hive... on the assumption that the Hive is in the far North East region... So we have a Conflict here. but if we have the hive in the North east, then there would be some conlict concerning the Spartan-Hive intereaction, Ironholm suppose to be close to Hive territory no
As for the Aliens, my assumption was that the Proginators is located in the Deep Space to the North, closer to the Galactic Core then Humanity......and the Bree located in the Deep Space North West of Sol. As for the Gorn, not sure... but i orginally guess it was in the Deep Space North West of Sol as well, side by side with the Bree.

Now, we also have the Dosi to locate....which needs to be close to Proginator Space.... Deep Space North East of Sol i say? also not to far from Beta Hydri....but won't exactly be bordered thought......... best option to slan Proginator space more towards North East, pushing the Dosi down a bit more so they can have better interaction with the Protectorate as Lonestar suggest.
-LMP

LMP, just a rminder, in real life Beta Hydri is extremely high on the z-axis, so we aren't as close to sol as it seems.

Protectorate FTL is like 15 lightyears in average.

Yeah! We're the fastest! :: runs screaming down hallway::



Sorry, must be the coronas.

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Sovereign
FC, I stated that I left Chiron by 2353, before your Hive conflict in the 2400's. How can we work out stuff? Maybe University and Hive relations could use some work... Maybe Hive thought University was helping Spartans then invade them only to realize University was fighting Spartans, and Hive decides to aid University's military, therefore keeping our good relations?

Any ideas or feedback would be appreciated to fix my timeline, then I'll finally be able to start my piece. All I need is a good "jump-off" board.

Maybe if you postpone your departing Chiron to a later date?
Since the Spartan-Hive alliance deteriorates at 2388 (and has never recovered) I think your idea of the Hive thinking the University helping the Spartans is a good idea.

That was from the Hive perspective:

2400-Spartans/Hive launch invasion into University territory. PK's intervene on UoP behalf (beginning of the yr). Hive fights Spartans/UoP/and PK's. Hive finds out UoP is NOT aiding Spartans, but instead fighting them. PK's on verge of destroying Human Hive but is saved by Yang signing truce...

as for your launch date...how about 2421~2422? The official timeline says

2420-University sets up their headquarters off world as well. Find out of the way planet to continue research. They maintain relations with Morganites and Peacekeepers.

That way you have 22 years for "Constant colonization, exploration and expansion of the three star systems, free of alien and human influences. Serious building of infracstructure and cities, as well as monorails, factories, and power plants."

Whew! That was a lot of going back and forth between windows! Hope that gives you something to work with Sovereign, but you don't have to use this if you don't wanna. Just giving you idea's!

originally posted by Sprayber
Franky: You can't be friendly with everyone In my opinion a Hive-Protectart conflict would be interesting story. It could be a comunist russian-nazie germany type war all over again. Nothing entertains more than seeing two evil empires try and destroy each other

Ahh, but imagine if Nazi-Germany and the Soviet Union did ally?
Although nothing will compare between the Spartan Federation and the G.H.E.'s rivalry!

Kass,

Glad you saw that!

Ok, I've been babbling for far too long! Someone shut Frankychan up!!!

[Sprayber]

*******Map Related Post******

I wonder if anyone listens to what I say.

map issues,


the map is not perfect. nor was it meant to be. the core is actually farther away from where you see it. (in fact ill just take it out when i fix it) forget about the core being there.

the reason why the bree are where they are is simple. there is no defined bree space. I don't eve think the Hive is absolutly sure where exact Bree space occupies. That is a region from where they come from. they most likely have installations there but that isn't ther primary core systems. the bree has to be somewhat near the hive. So I put it at around the 2 to 3 o'clock region. it extends outward from there.

The Gorn Expanse is the same way. We dont know the exact boundries of the Gorn empire. It most likely borders Bree space for maybe many light years most likely. but it is beyond human explored space. Why you say, because the humans have been wary to explore too much into the conflict zone of the gorn-bree war.

Uv Watt(tarn). No one has ever been to Uv Watt planet. Least not and said anything about it. they are peacefull and stay to themselves but i included the region where they are known to be.

Progenator: I intentionlly left them out. They seem to be scattered everywhere. But their main concentrations are further "north" of Bree and Gorn space. They have a habit of sending scouting parties out so that may explain their scattering effect and pockets of planets here and there.


The university was an arbritrary placing. they weren't being controlled by anyone so i put them out of the way. If sovereign wishes the locations can be moved in a little close to the action, but should really stay on that side.

the protectorate can be located at Beta Hydri with no problem. But like lonestar said the exact postion is not reprented in a technically correct manner since the map is flat. Sorry guys, i coudn't make a hologram and send to everyone
Lonestar can get away with being "further" out since its not a 3d representation.

The PKs were put in there with the possible thought that Guardian or someone else will come in and take them over. They will be a big player if and when they have someone to run their stuff.

The Morgans have more planets than most(maybe except for the Hive) But most of them are mainly mining planets or for other commerical purposes. Their territory is split in half by the virtue of Capella being a Terran colonly. The Spartans are very much involved in helping to defend the Morgan Coperate sector. The do this cause a lot of the material that goes into the Spartans ship hulls and other needs are located there. The Spartans are self suffient in food and most things. They even have a impressive industrial ability, but not near engough to support their massive, and i mean massive military machine. The Spartans. So Morgan and the Spartans are dependent upon each other for different things. So far, it has been a very cordial and warm partnership bread from need.

Drones. The drones are located near Spartan and Morgan space(coperate sector) if you notice, they have Vega and a collection of stars up there. Altair is not placed right. I used LMPs original map that he made us and superimposed it on another one. Later investigation revels that Altair is closer than Syrma(sparta) is. Ill fix that in another edition as soon as we get this fixed. oh and btw, i am open to help on placing the stars. if you see an error, tell me.

They say Sol is the center of human space. actually Sparta is the middle power. Least in practical terms. Sparta is surrounded by the Drones, Morgans, Cadre, Firaxian, PK, Hive, Gorn, Bree and Believers. with a smattering of independent worlds. About the only people the don't border in some way are the Terrans. and thats because of the Independent worlds and unclaimed territories between them. And think, all they really wanted to do is be by themsleves. Does anyone have any problems with where the Spartans are and how many planets they have?

Terrans. I was being generouse when I gave them wolf and ross. i figured that they would have some outside colonies in 700 years. Lets see if they can hold on to them.

Believers. Anyone have any problems as to where the Believers are? Of course the Rebel ones have hidden bases. But they can't be too far from Epsilon Indi. At least in the same direction.


other items. Cyborgs will be added soon when i make necessary changes.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by frankychan Ahh, but imagine if Nazi-Germany and the Soviet Union did ally?
Although nothing will compare between the Spartan Federation and the G.H.E.'s rivalry!

Yeah but that never could have happend. Even though they were similiar in character, Stalin and Hitler never really wanted to work together. They were too close to each other and believed too much in their own superiorty. The egos were too big to both fit in Europe. It was bound to happen. Hitler just ended it too soon to make a real difference. The Spartans are not going to invade anything in the Hive at this time. At the beginning of the story, they were going to. But as the plot(as in real life) progressed a greater enemy is emerging from the Terrans. That is where Spartan Hardware will likely be used. At least in the forseeable future.

Now for the Protectorate. Their best move would be to simply let the Spartans and Hive fight it out and then move in on what is left. But that isn't likely since the Spartans are going to play it close to the vest on the Hive border and concentrate on the Terrans for the time being. As a matter of fact franky, the Spartans may turn out to be your best alternative. Cause the Spartans are by no means fanatical. They are deliberate and conservative in most cases. Kessel is a realist. He can deal with an emperor, or a president or a queen. He don't really care about your way of government. All he cares about is others staying out of Spartan territory and watching the aliens. As a matter of fact, he could just as easily deal with Ian as he could Yang. He don't care. But in the back of his mind, he remembers the past. So while he may deal with someone in the present, he will always remember what you have done in the past.

[Lonestar]

A Protectorate-GHE conflict? I'm not sure if the Protectorate could stand up to GHE on it's own, it would probaly have to invoke It's alliance with the Dosi, and that's a no-no. (so far).

[History Guy]

Kassiopeia--- Silence wants to know if he can attack Capella at a later date, and what all should happen.

Sovereign, Good timeline. Just remember, though, that by the time of the story Morgan Interstellar has an alliance with the University.

Lonestar-- This may sound odd (and I'm sure you have answered this question before), but why is Ian known as Lord Protector Ian I. I see why you have the Lord Protector, but surely the 'I' would be slightly redundant.

Sprayber-- Yep, we'll stick with Marcus Kessel through thick and thin.

As for a Hive-Protectorate War, that may actually be very interesting. Or at least it'd be tough to pick a side to root for...

I'm working on my 'Horizon Aida' post now. Hopefully I'll get it done tomorrow or so. I've got to be gone all day tomorrow, so it'll probably be later.

BTW, I posted a short story on the board a few hours back. It's OK, I guess. Any feedback would be appreciated.

And hey, Franky! 'BAM' you say? I wonder if Emeril Lagasse was on the Unity...

[Sovereign]

Whew, thanks for your feedback LMP!!

You gave me plenty to think about... and I have some new ideas about weaponary, ships, and defense installations.

Superweapons: Starcraft's Yamato Super-Cannon, Shinra's Makonic Cannon, or some equalivent that can only be installed on Battleships or Dreadnoughts. Capable of drilling a hole straight through a enemy ship or even a small asteroid. Leaves the ship at low power for a minute like the Excalibur ships in Babylon 5. Enemy ships could counterattack, that is, if they survive!

Sub-superweapon: EMP shockwave, disables fighters and small vessels (destroyers and light cruisers) electronics. Capable of thwarting raids or cripples an faction that relies heavily on carrier battles. Idea from Starcraft.

Normal Space to Space weaponary: How does Tachyon beams sound? If I remember right they're medium weapons from SMAC, generally around the same time you get Neutronium armor. Tachyon beams were developed after serious research in defense and discovery of Tachyon Fields. Tachyon vary in color depending on the intensity and power of the beams. The beams are directly proportional to the amount of power the ship generates. As a rule of thumb, small ships fire weak Tachyon beams that are reddish in color and just blow off fighters or gun embankments on ships. Battleships and Dreadnoughts fire pure white tachyon beams that are capable of ionizing some alloys and slowing nanite regeneration of nanotech hulls.

Ballistic Weaponary: Xaos Smart-Missiles that once reaching outside the enemy's firing range, accelerates rapidly to a sublight speed of 10% lightspeed, splits into ten seperate warheads, and slams into the enemy warship, delivering dense neutronium pellets causing "shotgun" wounds.

Two projects are under construction, under secrecy. Further details will be revealed as I write my story that could have important ramifications of the story. Don't worry, these two projects are well defined in the story's reality and isn't anything drastic like time travel or becoming gods.

Armor: Neutronium hulls capable of withstanding more damage than bio-hulls or nanotech hulls, and almost impervious to collisions due to rigid molecular structure. Energy beams can damage Neutronium hulls. Missiles and bullets are generally almost ineffective due to the principle of near imperviousty to collision type damage. Think of an analogy to Bullet-proof glass, bulletproof cars, vests, etc. that cover the whole ship.

Military... I want to be fair to the other factions. I think my military should be 1/10th of any faction at any given time. That way, their superior numbers can equalize with my technology, creating a level playing field. If Hive has 5000 ships, then I'll make my military 500 ships... However, my military will never go below 200 ships in total.

Star-Gate... good point there LMP. Its just that the 3 star systems look extremely far from Chiron, almost at the edge of the map! So it would make sense for University to arrive there in a faster than regular FTL method. Think Voyager and Delta Quadrant from Star Trek. Maybe that's a little extreme but you get the idea. The other factions are relatively next-door neighbors to Chiron while University is like on the other side of the river And the travel through the star-gate damages University's databases and records, erasing all datalink frequencies for other factions and recent sensor information, namely the Star-gate itself. Maybe if Star-Gate doesn't work, could you offer a better realistic idea of a sudden, abrupt displacement?

Hmm... I think I shall head over and fix my timeline. I'll try my best to modify the 2300's to 2400's... sorry Sprayder, didn't realize the official timeline was there! I'm still new at this, but I'm enjoying this immensely. I'm trying to get a good picture of my faction, their capabilities and weaknesses, and potential old friends and enemies. Give me some time and feedback, and I'm sure I'll have my very first piece done by this weekend, hopefully when I get home from college

[Sovereign]

Timeline modified. FC, Historyguy, and Spray, enjoy

[Mr. President]

Idea of a sudden, abrupt displacement?

Quantum tunnelling gone berserk?

[Frankychan]

A thought has just struck me...

Protectorate vessels destroy a Spartan ship....and the Spartans don't respond! Is the Spartans intimidated by someone smaller than them?

I am also insulted that no Hive dignitaries are not attending this festival! It is a travesty to all! Nah, I actually think its better if we don't go...we don't even know there is a festival going on, yet.

Things are getting interesting though......

[Mr. President]

I am also insulted that no Hive dignitaries are attending this festival!

I thought no-one was supposed to know you existed. "Please put your hands together for Emperor Yang! Now remember folks, he's not really here, so don't make eye contact . . ."

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by frankychan
A thought has just struck me...

Protectorate vessels destroy a Spartan ship....and the Spartans don't respond! Is the Spartans intimidated by someone smaller than them?

I am also insulted that no Hive dignitaries are not attending this festival! It is a travesty to all! Nah, I actually think its better if we don't go...we don't even know there is a festival going on, yet.

Things are getting interesting though......

Destroyed a Spartan ship? When did this happen. Nobody told me.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mr. President


I thought no-one was supposed to know you existed. "Please put your hands together for Emperor Yang! Now remember folks, he's not really here, so don't make eye contact . . ."

I nearly fell out of my chair at the visiualization.


You see, there is no pleasing these people..

[Frankychan]

The Spartan Exploration vessel continued to broadcast the surrender call, even as the Protectorate Star Crusier Judgement tore it up bit-by-bit using heavy particle cannons. Had the Spartan ship merely powered down and ceased transmitting upon being ordered to do so, none of this would have happened.

This Spartan ship. Second page of the BAC story thread.

You...two...DARE...insult...his...MAJESTY!!! That is blasphemy! President Kristy Adams and Colonel Marcus Kessel will see Hive Prime someday.....interred in a new and improved Punishment Neuro-Sphere!!!

Seriously though, good comeback Mr. Prez. But I think we've been found out!

[Sprayber]

Silance: Would it be ok if I used some kind of Believer merchant ship in an upcomming post? The basic run down is this.

A believer ship contacts a Spartan fleet about a piece of debris it has found that bears Spartan markings. Saying it at found this "debris" in a previously uncharted sector. Instead of turing it into scrap they decided to try to see if they can get some reward for turning it in to the Spartans. Would this be better done with a military vessel of the governement?

Oh yeah this "debris" is going to turn out to be a Spartan Message Pod from a certain Spartan ship named the Magellan. You see when a Spartan ship is confronted with overwelming odds they not only call for assistance (decoy) they eject a message pod that is basically a small FTL pod. The eject sequence is done while the ship is far enough away to avoid having the pod being detected. It can only jump a few light years, but just enough to get out of harms way in order to be available for pick up later on after some time has passed. Since the Magellan has failed to check in when it was supposed to, multiple ships will be sent out in the general direction of the last known position of the Magellan. In this case the Magellan was on a short scanning mission of the general area around Beta Hydri. I'm sure that ample reward will be given to the deliever of the pod and all do attention will be paid to the cause of the loss of the crew.