Beyond Alpha Centauri: Discussion Thread

[Frankychan]

Dang forgot to say something,

I'm also looking at the stars above Altair and to the right of Arcturus (Mengsk?)

So I guess either will work for me but none are set in stone baby !

But like I said, I'll wait before I do anything "concrete"

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by [LordLMP]
kass, if you don't mind, i'll do the Terran Alliance Fleet structure.... kind of ships and ground forces, what they do etc....

"Make it so", then.

I had a boring moment (I can hear you sighing already ), and got around to looking at population numbers. They are huge! Say, Earth has eight to nine billion occupants, even ten. Controlling such a mass with purely brute force ought to be an enormous overtaking.
Also, this means that military forces will have hundreds of millions of people. I could easily see Coalition Marines having, with all support staff, over a hundred million personnel, and the Navy easily tens of millions, meaning that there are also many ships to have, since the average crew of a ship is, in the era of automation, somewhere around five to six hundred, maybe less. Of course, carriers should have over a thousand, and remember all the pilots.
Dividing military forces into groups will be altogether different. A battalion would comprise, say, of two or three million soldiers, for instance!
Oh, my head hurts. I'm glad I'm strictly Terran, I do not have to worry about the location of my home system.

[[LordLMP]]

Originally posted by Sprayber


I've had my eye on some B5 designs for spartan ships. *cough* warlock *cough* and was just wondering if you were looking at something similiar.

If i can find a good pic of the Starship Trooper Cruisers... during and at the end of the movie....even a pic of the Cruiser in the Roughneck Chronicles 3d animated cartoon, i'll withdraw my dibs on the Warlock

For b5/crusader ships, i found a good b5 site with ship details and aproximetly to accurate size of the ship. The Warlocks are 1771 metres in B5. So that is like Battleship size i using the size chart i made.....which i may extend it again slightly.

-LMp

[[LordLMP]]

Originally posted by frankychan
Dang forgot to say something,

I'm also looking at the stars above Altair and to the right of Arcturus (Mengsk?)

So I guess either will work for me but none are set in stone baby !

But like I said, I'll wait before I do anything "concrete"

Just to say, in maps i have....there is more stars in the dark areas which i haven't identified.......

Arcturus is the name of a system in 2-3 different starmaps i got, it is not fiction or related to Starcraft.

So, the Spartans in the Syrma area..... Free Drones in the Vega area...... Morganites in the Castor/Pollux areas as well as some systems between the Spartans and the Terran Alliance....Peacekeepers in the Chiron area... the University maybe located in the south-west area of Sol?

The Gaians i don't know....what systems Alyzia as chosen?

Cyborgs will have Lalande 21128 (which allows no one to enter the system for some reason) and then have FTL Comm Centers/outposts/starbases and Beacons scattered all over the place.

Pirates will be scattered all over the place.... Data Angels as well, but also scartely integrated among the other factions, allowing to keep their good Probe rating.

The Gorns can be the Gorns in startrek, but look lot less stiff in comparison in the orginal startrek episode

The Tarn....gnome like humanoids, yet still look alien?

The Scions.... i don't know how they would look like... metallic human looking? with some other noticeble features.

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

Originally posted by kassiopeia


"Make it so", then.

I had a boring moment (I can hear you sighing already ), and got around to looking at population numbers. They are huge! Say, Earth has eight to nine billion occupants, even ten. Controlling such a mass with purely brute force ought to be an enormous overtaking.
Also, this means that military forces will have hundreds of millions of people. I could easily see Coalition Marines having, with all support staff, over a hundred million personnel, and the Navy easily tens of millions, meaning that there are also many ships to have, since the average crew of a ship is, in the era of automation, somewhere around five to six hundred, maybe less. Of course, carriers should have over a thousand, and remember all the pilots.
Dividing military forces into groups will be altogether different. A battalion would comprise, say, of two or three million soldiers, for instance!
Oh, my head hurts. I'm glad I'm strictly Terran, I do not have to worry about the location of my home system.

The Chiron Faction populations will be lot more scattered then concentrated.... hard to see faction homeoworlds having a billion people.... Sol is the largest concentration of humanity..to a wopping 50 billion or more people...... Sol is also the largest concentration of ships too..... so wouldn't surprising seing the Terran Alliance Fleet growing in size so fast...... Coalition have 100 mmillion marines? why would they need that many?

Anyway, like i said earlier.... the Terran Council may be debating to go on expand by military means, else there will still be the problem of overpopulation. the Wofl 359 colony is being filled up quite quickly from excess population from Sol. Since Sol asn't been into any big wars among themselves since the formation of the Terran Alliance, there wasn't much to control the population growth.... even after banning Longivity or anything that would extend the life of an individual somewhat. So the Terran Council have to decide on something soon..... and the TAF is quite big enough and have enough support to launch a large campaign.

I am sure the chiron factions that as closer contact with Sol would notice that...so avoid waking up the sleeping giant. Terran Council will have to find a eligimate reason to declare war. InEn knows that and have the big card they can use on the Morganites... if InEn is worried due to something the done to break some Terran Council laws, the council with give them pardon and jump on the opportunity. Earth and Mars massive orbital ship yards is mostly concentrated in building ships for the Terran Alliance Fleet, lead by a Fleet Admiral chosen by the council...an Fleet Admiral who won't submit to politics despite what the Council thought when they chose him.

Terran Alliance maybe lower teched in comparison to the Chiron Factions, but they do have the numbers......

Anyway, i figure out a name we can use for the special mineral the Sol FTL needs to work.... Elerium-115 (from the X-COM games)

-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by [LordLMP]
Coalition have 100 mmillion marines? why would they need that many?

Well, maybe half of them in active service, rest a lightly trained reserve that can be brought out in dire straits.
Of course the full potential of Earth population can not be utilized. If there would be a conscription to draft all men between ages 15 - 75 (or whatever would be a good age of retirement in the 28th century) the number of available soldiers would be a billion or two, if going by your estimate easily fifteen billion! Getting all of them training and equipment would be impossible.

Also, the CMC is the security force of Coalition. There is no Police Department, but of course the CMC has a dedicated unit that concentrates on tasks the police officer of today does. Not carrying the standard issue MPX300 assault rifle

.... Sol is the largest concentration of humanity..to a wopping 50 billion or more people

Possible. The WW3 and it's shock to the genetic pool did lower fertility somewhat, but nevertheless seven centuries is a lot of time to use in means of reproduction, adding to 6 billion But I think 30 billion would me more sufficient. Not too little, yet not too much. They must of had some sort of birth control at some time, perhaps before orbital hydroponics got common.

Look carefully Chironians, the Terrans are dangerous, they have some much pop that all of your people combined would not match them!

[Frankychan]

Hiver populations

while on the subject of populations...

The G.H.E. (Greater Hive Empire) is no longer a Chironian-only "club". It consists of five (5) different species.

Human, Fran, Bulwar, Xiero, and Tarlak.

The G.H.E. spans across dozens of systems but remains largely secretive and isolationist. Therefore, we have no need to invade other peoples territories (under normal circumstances).

One of the mainstays of Hive technology (besides Thought Control) is genetic manipulation and cloning.

Sheng-ji Yang's experiments with Genejack Technology has been, by in large, successful. The Hive workforce is therefore genetically created individuals who have been altered.

Another is cloning. The use of cloning within our borders is widely accepted and is considered a "staple". All species are cloned and genetically altered for specific tasks.

The Hive military juggernaut consists of natural-born citizens but in times of massive (and I mean massive) campaigns and need for soldiers, the "clone armies" can be enlisted and brought into service.


I'm not trying to one-up or try and make the G.H.E. an unstoppable force, but rather trying to tie the games influence into my history of the Hive. I'll post descriptions of the 4 other species in the Character Thread later on.....right now I probably need to study......

[Alynzia]

What?

Did I , or did I not read that we weren't allowed to post on this thread unless we were in context to the story.... something about the length of the discussion thread determining the progression of the years of play?

Here are my stars...

Caretaker/Gaian Alliance Space
Delta Ursa Major, Megrez

Gaian Home System
Beta Ursa Major, Merak

They have been mentioned before, elsewhere. Unless I have missed something huge, I look forward to the star map. Is it going to be three two dimensional maps with (x,y) (x,z) and (y,z) axis? I would imagine that is the most accurate way to describe stars two dimensionally .

Alynzia.

[[LordLMP]]

Re: What?

Originally posted by Alynzia
Did I , or did I not read that we weren't allowed to post on this thread unless we were in context to the story.... something about the length of the discussion thread determining the progression of the years of play?

No Out Of Context only posts in the Story thread and yes, the progression of game Time will be determine by the length of the thread.

I also suggested a dating system....so we know when our actions as happened in relative to each our own.

Here are my stars...

Caretaker/Gaian Alliance Space
Delta Ursa Major, Megrez

Gaian Home System
Beta Ursa Major, Merak

Caretaker? Do realize that the Caretakers in this game universe will not know of anything of what happened on Chiron and that they are to busy fighting various wars then to deal with an pesky young species.

Also, have to figure out if those systems will be even close to Hive space to warrant secret relations.

They have been mentioned before, elsewhere. Unless I have missed something huge, I look forward to the star map. Is it going to be three two dimensional maps with (x,y) (x,z) and (y,z) axis? I would imagine that is the most accurate way to describe stars two dimensionally .

Alynzia.

Alynzia, the map is done It is two dimensional where the north of the map is towards the Galactic core and the west spinwards. since it is 2d and top down, it is (x,y)....but distances not base on that thought.

-LMP

[Sprayber]

Everyone please check out my additions to my ship sections of my webpage. Comments are welcome.

I tried to keep the states on my SPC kind of vague until we are all agreed on some things. 75 SL is meant to be a speed for sublight ships. It's just a place holder right now until everyone is cool with it. Anyway the SPC will figure heavly in Spartan defense. So you Terrans should think twice about your potential invasion plans.

http://www.geocities.com/hydro070/SpShipsSystem.html

http://www.geocities.com/hydro070/SpShipsColony.html

http://www.geocities.com/hydro070/SpShipsGarrison.html

[History Guy]

Looks good, Sprayber. I am sure Mr. Tremaine took one look and

Excuse my silence on the board. I've been very busy these past few days I'm afraid. I've also been thinking about this a bit though. Morgan Interstellar shall ring up the Terrans and ask them to turn over the culprits in the affair, as they are interstellar terrorists and murderers. If they can't do that Morgan Interstellar asks them to at least promise to keep out of this thing. In other words, if they stick their nose in it we'll take their nose off.

But in the end, we shall have to attack Callisto. We may or may not win, but it is the only way to get things done. CEO Morgan is quite angered at InEn and vows that InEn shall get what they deserve, that they can not hide behind pompous morons like Henry Tremaine and Sheng-ji Yang!

Hopefully good shall win this struggle, and Morgan Interstellar shall vanquish InEn from the universe!

[Cybergod]

Kass, I need you to post! Either that or you need to describe me in detail what does the man from the moon want from NS or what is he offering?

Please I need the info to post!

Also people please tell me what should be the colour of the Titan skies at night . Is it okay if I put it purple/indigo/violet/dark-blue kind of colour?

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Cybergod
Kass, I need you to post! Either that or you need to describe me in detail what does the man from the moon want from NS or what is he offering?

Please I need the info to post!

Also people please tell me what should be the colour of the Titan skies at night . Is it okay if I put it purple/indigo/violet/dark-blue kind of colour?

Hold your horses, I'm into it. Just this game called Civ3.

But what was that about not posting until thing X is settled with? If I promise to The Thread God not to involve any interstellar dimensions or intricate weapons systems in my post, can I appease our friend Cybergod and write the post?

what does the man from the moon want from NS or what is he offering?

I thought the man on Moon was from NS?! He is dead, he can not make any demands anymore! He must be a part of a team or an organization, do you mean I'd involve a third insurgent group?
The main idea was that he gave some important passcodes to these Coalitioners, whom InEn can not apprehend without a big mess and the last shreds of EC support disappearing. So, the two bystanders get the disc, read the directions and take the disc to the NS agent's controller or whatever in Tranquility City, from where it is delivered further to NS. Then, the Titanians could trade the information about InEn with the Morganites, and when the Morganites come to the solar system they provide support for Titan, in form of ships or whatnot.
Or...?

Btw, I'll also have the Coalition cut off official relations with InEn. They are at this time sick and tired of this.

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by kassiopeia
I thought the man on Moon was from NS?! He is dead, he can not make any demands anymore! He must be a part of a team or an organization, do you mean I'd involve a third insurgent group?
The main idea was that he gave some important passcodes to these Coalitioners, whom InEn can not apprehend without a big mess and the last shreds of EC support disappearing. So, the two bystanders get the disc, read the directions and take the disc to the NS agent's controller or whatever in Tranquility City, from where it is delivered further to NS. Then, the Titanians could trade the information about InEn with the Morganites, and when the Morganites come to the solar system they provide support for Titan, in form of ships or whatnot.
Or...?

Btw, I'll also have the Coalition cut off official relations with InEn. They are at this time sick and tired of this.

Good - please make it so! And also please arrange that the two bystanders get to meet Jonas Ray (look at my first post) and everything will be fine

BTW, I decided to renamed Maria Sanches to Maria Sanchez Expect a longer post as soon as Kass finishes his very busy meeting with Civ3

[Kassiopeia]

Fine, but you will have to wait - I'm going asleep soon, and tomorrow is a school day. Thus, I won't get to writing that soon. But I promise that first thing tomorrow I'll have my sister hide Civ3 somewhere, since I have a test coming up too. *swallow* :SCARED:
I'll of course read your stuff about Maria Sanchez ASAP. And I'll remember Jonas Ray, of course.