Beyond Alpha Centauri: Discussion Thread

[[LordLMP]]

Re: Don't forget the Hive!...acutally, fuggetaboutum

Originally posted by frankychan
Hello everyone,

I've been thinking, with Sprayber's help, that the Hive faction should be as secretive as possible. The only faction that thinks they know the Hive is the Gaian faction...as they are the only ones inside Hive space.

Keeping with newly crowned Emperor Yang's suspicion of the other factions, his home planet and system would be unknown to the other factions. I was thinking that the Spartan's would know generally where Hive space started, but not know what was in Hive space.....kind of like the Vorlons in Bablyon 5. What do you guys all think?

Hive may of ended going deep space and don't control an habitable world.... ways to stay secretive is to spread thin, have little colonies all over the place at odd places. So the Chironians by the 2500s lost track of the Hive and don't know what happened to them. the Gaians could also sort of secretive and mysterious themselves, keep more to themselves....yet still have holdings on Chiron, so sort of rebuild the ecological damage the factions as caused to Planet. Hive and Gaians could be the two odd balls of the Factions Cyborgs would also be mysterious....only know holdings of theirs would be Chiron and various FTL Comm centers and satellites at various places. Also lately started building jump gates all over th place? sling shots ships to another system. Cyborgs also ones placing a lot of beacons and rumoured to be spying on ftl comm traffic. Cyborgs not very talkative and largely ignored :P just ideas

pirates and data angels would be band of renegades in a way. Morganites and Free Drone the big industrial and corporate workhorses.... Spartans and Peacekeepers the bigger militaristic factions. Cult mainly stuck on Chiron.

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

Re: Dang Spartans...

Originally posted by frankychan
I also like the additional Spartan timeline...wait, no I don't! (joke) I like the way you put up those accursed space stations

Nah, well whoever is the Free Drone Republic, is Foreman Domai still in the picture or is he out of it?

Oh yeah, is anyone the Believers or is the author part-timing like Alynzia is with the Gaians?

completly forgot about the believers....they probably not a big player...and most of their holdings on Chiron. They could have smarting up and are not so fanatical, but do travel the stars among other factions as Priests and so on, Missionaries.... to spread the modern neo-christianity, in a loving open minded wisdom way. considered odd, but oh well. the futuristic shamens

-LMP

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by [LordLMP]
Cybergod, Titan in reality as a good chance to have a jungle like ecosystem. SO not another dull cratered moon. If it as plants, also a possibility of having its own atmosphere filled with oxygen.
If so, Titan will most likely be the second/third place to be colonized after Mars and maybe Luna. So the idea of having a mining community on a greenish jungle like moon? When i hear and see Titan, i imagine a jungle like moon....

Jungle? On Titan, a moon of Saturn? Excuse me but if the temperature on Mars is just bellow 0 degrees Celsius, what makes you think that on a moon of Saturn. which is many more times away, and where the Sun is just one of the brighter stars in the sky, where almost half of the time Sun will be over-shadowed by Saturn, you'd find fledging jungles?!? Maybe you were thinking of a silicone-based lifeform but that was too futuristic for me to mention Also, oxygen is such a precious element we ourselves would never have had if the plants didn't evolve photosynthesis (which again depends on the Sun) .

Titan has an atmosphere of methane and not oxygen. As seem on Nasa's website at http://sse.jpl.nasa.gov/features/pla...urn/titan.html

Click on it to check up the facts

No teams please... Terran ALliance is comprised of factions in Sol, but no civil war type teams. Major Terran factions is Earth Coalition and Mars Combine...then InEn.

Ok, I thought that I would go wrong there . But surely there must be some slight power shifts and diplomatic dislikes in the "alliance"? NATO itself would have broken up if it hadn't undertaken the Kosovo war to boost it's public support - the organisation is just a remaint of a Cold War! Anyways, back to On-Topic...

And I wasn't planning any "god-like" beings! That was just one of my fiction works inspired by an idea while I was thinking about the Progenitors! I may have had some thoughts of asking to do them but I no longer do since, when I finish the story, they do not wish to involve themselves with no primitive creations of the "Entity" or the "Flame", except their children, which are only just about technologically advanced as humans (probably a different tech-tree ). Anyways, forget about that stuff now...

So what kind of governement has been determined for Titan and Rhea? And what kind of leader do you want me to write about?

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by [LordLMP]
kass, if they can colonize venus, they should be able to colonize Mercury, but depend on the use of radiation shields and etc...

I somehow came up that Mercury does not have anything valuable to make use of. Actually, I was originally too tired to invent anything for the place and it stayed that way. Can do anything with the place. Have a stellar research station or etc.

Kass, another thing would like to mention.... You mention sol being against genetic/cyborg manipulation.....well, Scions use to be humans..... if the Terran Alliance have policies like that, then they would make the Scions outlaws. and the Belters wouldn't care either

Oh, yes. Whoopsidaisie.
Umm, actually, I thinked that maybe longevity treatments should be banned, or atleast unaccessable to a majority of the population. Because it would either be that or birth control. Otherwise Earth pop would skyrocket and make the infrastructure go down on it's knees. Earth is crowded enough already, about ten billion people over there. They can't colonize other systems so have extra people inhabit, and building SSSH's isn't cheap at all.

Btw, you can get the Terran timeline up IMO - It's the revision 3 I posted already.
Nice website - Simple is beautiful. I wanted to scrape up my site from nil, just for challenge. And something to brag about to "mundanes"
Could you link my BAC section to your site?

personal.phpoint.net/nortti/bac.htm

Oh, and it's updated! For detailed info about Sol, TA, EC or InEn, visit my site.

Btw, you people still have not commented on my ship design proposal!

So what kind of governement has been determined for Titan and Rhea? And what kind of leader do you want me to write about?

As a leader (personality, sex, age, looks, whatever) it's your call.
What I had in mind for off planet colonies is a somewhat unstrict regime, which is not too heavily depended on Earth bureaucracy. The trend started when the Centralized Planetary Party (Isolationist Xenophobes) ruled for a decade or two, and continued even after Democratic Union stepping in power. Governers can be a nuisance sometimes, I think, but keep sending in their production quotas back to Earth, even if just to keep a steady flow of cheap nutrients and other commodities.
The governor (or director, or whatever the title will be, does not matter to me) is almost like a small president of the colony(ies). Rhea is such a small place that it could be under the same governer as Titan.
I'm not interfering with Titan physics - But I do know that it's methane up there. It could be perused for energy production or whatnot. In 2700's people sill probably be even able to make dust a natural resource

God I'm tired. Friggin' school
EDIT: It's been December for 32 mins now. Better start seeking an Xmas smiley

[[LordLMP]]

The biggest thing in Titan's sky is Saturn and the Gas giant does indeed would reflect a lot of light...so photosynthesis right there. After plants evolve on the moon, which doesn't have to be green, it produces oxygen. By providing that link, i am even more convinced that Titan as good possibility of life...which doesn't have to be Earth like, which would be ignorant thinking. And since Voyager 1 couldn't penetrate the atmosphere visually and a lot of the information is practicly guess work by NASA. SO the facts posted there isn't complete and probably not accurate. That is why they are sending more probes and planning to drop surface probes on the moon.

So i know what i am talking about bud and the idea to have mining operations doesn't make sence...unless Titan is just the gathering place for miners who mine Saturn's ring or the other moons.

Hey, that ewok moon orbits a gas giant and life was sprung. This is science FICTION, base on reality. In my opinion, my view of Titan isn't that far fetch. Just the green part i am wrong...but isn't written somewhere we can't have orange plants.....

can't see what we can mix fiction and whatever available facts to create something like Firaxis did with Alpha Centauri. Wouldn't be fun to go Alpha Centauri in real life and not find a planet that isn't habitable.

another thing, if Voyager 1 couldn't see the surface or land on titan (wasn't design for that), that means they can only guess the temperature...or their temp is of the atmosphere, not the surface temp. Hey, venus is hoot lot hotter then Mercury and Mercury is closer to the Sun.

-LMP

Originally posted by Cybergod


Jungle? On Titan, a moon of Saturn? Excuse me but if the temperature on Mars is just bellow 0 degrees Celsius, what makes you think that on a moon of Saturn. which is many more times away, and where the Sun is just one of the brighter stars in the sky, where almost half of the time Sun will be over-shadowed by Saturn, you'd find fledging jungles?!? Maybe you were thinking of a silicone-based lifeform but that was too futuristic for me to mention Also, oxygen is such a precious element we ourselves would never have had if the plants didn't evolve photosynthesis (which again depends on the Sun) .

Titan has an atmosphere of methane and not oxygen. As seem on Nasa's website at http://sse.jpl.nasa.gov/features/pla...urn/titan.html

Click on it to check up the facts



Ok, I thought that I would go wrong there . But surely there must be some slight power shifts and diplomatic dislikes in the "alliance"? NATO itself would have broken up if it hadn't undertaken the Kosovo war to boost it's public support - the organisation is just a remaint of a Cold War! Anyways, back to On-Topic...

Hello, there is all of the above, which was the point and why there is "factions" in the Terran Alliance

And I wasn't planning any "god-like" beings! That was just one of my fiction works inspired by an idea while I was thinking about the Progenitors! I may have had some thoughts of asking to do them but I no longer do since, when I finish the story, they do not wish to involve themselves with no primitive creations of the "Entity" or the "Flame", except their children, which are only just about technologically advanced as humans (probably a different tech-tree ). Anyways, forget about that stuff now...

okay, just don't want to see the game way to far fetch like some Total Annihilation story game at another forum

So what kind of governement has been determined for Titan and Rhea? And what kind of leader do you want me to write about?

Your choice, but i simply can't see Titan an mining moon, which as highest chances after Earth to carry life of anykind. Also see Titan more of an resort

make some story that they declare independence some Earth Coalition, which they don't like and was about to send a fleet....but almost the rest of the Terran Alliance opposes. SO maybe coalition try to regain Titan covertly and so on....have some huge scandal

-LMP

[Sprayber]

Cant Titan have some mines .

Maybe, just maybe. You can write it up as the people of Titan do not want more mines on the moon disturbing the fragile ecosystem that is there. And that is how they come to rebel or change their government. just a helpful suggestion...

LMP. It doesn't matter but if for some reason you are gone and i need to change something that it might be good to be able to. And don't worry, im not a master web artist myself. lol.

BTW

i got a site too but just with Spartan stuff. Im a sucker for details sometimes.

http://www.geocities.com/hydro070/BAC_Page.html?1006845883400

[Frankychan]

Greater Hive Empire facts...

Ok folks!

I've decided that everything said about the Greater Hive Empire (the old Human Hive) will remain "concrete". NOTHING will change until the story starts. So whatever I have said, or others said about us ....*ahem* ....Sprayber just joking

This is so Sprayber has at least one permanent timeline/faction to use as a focal point for the other factions. I'm trying to not sound like a power monger but I think I'm just shooting myself in the foot.

So, to sum up Greater Hive Empire events....

Human Hive is now Greater Hive Empire

Chairman Yang is now Emperor Yang

5 races make up the Hive Empire: Human, Bulwark, Tarlak, Xiero, and Fran

Gaian/Hive relationship at unofficial alliance...they inhabit a moon in Hive Home System.

Home System is unknown by other factions and location cannot be obtained easily

Bree-Hive relationship good....to say the least

Hive-Spartan relationship... "rocky"

Morgan-Hive relationship...neutral

Hive-Sol system relationship...nonexistent......Hive hasn't been in contact yet.

No other factions except Gaians have been in Hive space...except for the Spartan invasion fleet which was turned away by Bree.


This is all I can think of right now, but I'm not going to change what I've said about the Hive so that there is some sort of "permanence" to the timeline and events...at least in my half of the galaxy.

...........Sorry if this sounds too dictatorial!

[Sprayber]

Sounds ok to me It's your faction after all


Have you read the hive history on chiron? I tried to be vague but supply some details. I wrote it out pretty much the first or second day this started back when no one wanted the Hive.

everyone should take a look at it and see if they would like to add something important about their faction or thinks something is wrong. cause like i said it was written early in the process.

Ill even be nice and copy it hear.

Qustions?, Comments, Smart Remarks?

This is mainly for the Chiron factions

2221-Progenators Land on Alpha Centauri

2301-Combined Spartan-Pirate-Peacekeeper-Hive armies overrun the last Progenitor stronghold. Conqueror Marr interred in a punishment sphere. University instrumental in providing technological support to Human Alliance.

2303-Morganites-Gaians-Believers are given back lands formerly liberated by Human armies.

2336-Universty and Morgans become the first factions to colonize Nessus and Pholus.

2354-Spartan and Hive forces attempt take over of Nessus mining operations.

2355-Moon Accords are finalized allowing Spartan and Hive to mine small portion of Nessus.

2379-Unversity scientist field first prototype FTL drive.

2381-Improved version of FTL drive is completed. Data Angel probes steal design for first prototype drive. Information is spread across Chiron.

2382-Spartans and Hive threaten war if all information on the new FTL is not released.

2384-University is forced to release information but withholds vital specifications about minerals need to power the drive. At least four different ores are found to work but University only mentions Kalciate as mineral needed.

2388-Peacekeepers attempt to get the factions to agree on equal shares of the FTL drive technology. Spartans and University refuse to cooperate with each other. The Hive-Spartan alliance crumbles and the two factions start small scale fighting. University is relieved of the Spartan Hive threat.

2390-University, with Morgan financial backing, produced the first fully operational FTL ship.

2399-Morgan and University begin production on Colony and Mining ships.

2400-Spartans and Hive launch separate attacks on University territory. Peacekeepers intervene on behalf of the University.

2401-Spartans launch first space attack on a University-Morgan space station. Two completed FTL ships are captured.

2402-Ceasefire is declared and peace returns to Chiron. FTL treaty is signed.

2406-Cyborg Scientists prefect first FTL Comm device. Information is shared to all factions but gets little fanfare initially. (Cyborgs will always seem to be able to communicate better than every other human faction.)

2417-Morgans move their headquarters off of Chiron and become the first faction to leave Chiron. They retain a few assets on Chiron and Nessus, But majority of Morgan employees move with Headquarters.

2420-University sets up their headquarters off world as well. Find out of the way planet to continue research. They maintain relations with Morganites and Peacekeepers.

2424-Spartans join exodus off planet. They wonder for years to find the right planet to take.

2428-Spartans land at Spartan Point on a planet they name Sparta.

[History Guy]

Everything's ok with me. We Morganites do not tend to seek war, you know. It's only when our blood is spilled by invaders that we do so. That's why we can't stand InEn, for example. When war comes, if it does, between Sparta and the Drones and the Peacekeepers, the Hive, and possibly the Gaians, we shall only support our allies through increased weapon trade, unless one of our Morganite citizens is killed. So it'll be more like Spartans-Drones (and superior Morgan weaponry) vs. Hive-Peacekeepers-Gaians. Unless we ourselves are attacked, and if that happens we shall send our small, but elite army out to our attackers, and neutrality will be dissolved on our part.

[Frankychan]

Sounds good...

The early timeline sounds good. The beginning launch of Morgan might be off (I'm not exactly sure) but it basically sounds good....

On Behalf of Emperor Yang the timeline corresponds rather nicely with the Hive timeline.

the year 2400 sounds good, the Peacekeeper-Hive truce could be signed at the end of the year.

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by [LordLMP]
make some story that they declare independence some Earth Coalition, which they don't like and was about to send a fleet....but almost the rest of the Terran Alliance opposes. SO maybe coalition try to regain Titan covertly and so on....have some huge scandal

-LMP

I like that one. Nice stirup. And EC could not have InEn help it, since EC won't help InEn (With Morgans). Intrigue incoming...

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by kassiopeia


I somehow came up that Mercury does not have anything valuable to make use of. Actually, I was originally too tired to invent anything for the place and it stayed that way. Can do anything with the place. Have a stellar research station or etc.

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Btw, you people still have not commented on my ship design proposal!

My nearest planet to Syrma just has a few hab domes for a garrison and a few scientist. It's roughly equal to mercury, maybe a little bigger.


I like your ship designs. Pretty much the standard that most will follow. I don't know how much the Spartans will utilized fighters just yet.


and if we want, we can all link to each others sites. I don't mind and it would make it easier for everyone to get around.


I would just like to thank everyone for the effort that has been put into this. You guys, and ladies, have really made a simple idea come to life.

[Kassiopeia]

Oh. Yes. I added a little footnote to Mercury, about a small research station. Studies stellar mass and solar winds, radiation levels and whatnot.
(The fighters are there, 'cuz I want my starfuries! )

Question:

How "big" should ships be? A US Aircraft Carrier is over 300 m (roughly 900 ft) long... Hows that for the length of a scout? Or a corvette?
How about the other extreme, Dreadnaught? A kilometre (over 3000 ft)? More? Less?
Btw, if I can't find good enough graphics from web, prepare yourselves to some horrid Paint-drawn schematics

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by kassiopeia
Oh. Yes. I added a little footnote to Mercury, about a small research station. Studies stellar mass and solar winds, radiation levels and whatnot.
(The fighters are there, 'cuz I want my starfuries! )

Question:

How "big" should ships be? A US Aircraft Carrier is over 300 m (roughly 900 ft) long... Hows that for the length of a scout? Or a corvette?
How about the other extreme, Dreadnaught? A kilometre (over 3000 ft)? More? Less?
Btw, if I can't find good enough graphics from web, prepare yourselves to some horrid Paint-drawn schematics

I've been searching for stuff like that and I have some possibilities. The problem is that they are scattered all over and most are Star Trek and Star Wars. But there are some sites out there. Ill post some later if i find anything good.

[Kassiopeia]

Ok, but I still want to know how long the Coalition Dreadnaught will be. 1000 m? 1500 m? (It's trivial, but it's good for comparing ship classes. Scout is x metres long, so Dreadnaught must be a whopping ship since it is 60x metres long)