The Chiron Chronicle: Discussions 2

[Natan]

I don't understand. Why are we talking about twenty years when we are on the ninth decde of colonization? Also, there are certain advantages which the colonists had, their populations were already educated and loyal.

[Desert Journeyman]

Loyalty and competance in the realm of education does not equate with the presence of a capable infrastructure. Remember that most of the factions' endeavors will be spent attempting early development of colonies and attempting to stem the growth of certain enemies with whom there is rivalry.

No sort of preexisting foundation is present upon which upgrades can be made. Much of the society is geared towards civilian as opposed to military methods, thus indicating that the presence of weapons specialists is not likely to be frequent or especially high.

I did not assume that the scenario was so develloped as to have permitted the passing of eighty years - especially when Morgan is still present.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Desert Journeyman
Loyalty and competance in the realm of education does not equate with the presence of a capable infrastructure. Remember that most of the factions' endeavors will be spent attempting early development of colonies and attempting to stem the growth of certain enemies with whom there is rivalry.

No sort of preexisting foundation is present upon which upgrades can be made. Much of the society is geared towards civilian as opposed to military methods, thus indicating that the presence of weapons specialists is not likely to be frequent or especially high.

I did not assume that the scenario was so develloped as to have permitted the passing of eighty years - especially when Morgan is still present.

Well, the game thread says "Chiron chronicles 7: 2183" so I'm pretty sure we're on the ninth decade.

The infrastructure needed would already be in place to produce civillian equipment - this is how the Sten gun was produced so quickly, it was assembled from parts which were produced for civillian purposes before the war. Upgrades would be more difficult, but again, most of the technologies involved have civillian purposes - synthetic fossil fuels have a lot of uses outside of missile propellants.

[Desert Journeyman]

The Sten gun was more or less developed by an industrial and economic giant with all the preexisting components on hand.

The factions on Chiron, beset by war, plauge, and disaster since planetfall. While it is likely that they have a competant industry for pursuing war, the variety of weapons in use suggests a very diverse sort of munitions programme.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Desert Journeyman
The Sten gun was more or less developed by an industrial and economic giant with all the preexisting components on hand.

The factions on Chiron, beset by war, plauge, and disaster since planetfall. While it is likely that they have a competant industry for pursuing war, the variety of weapons in use suggests a very diverse sort of munitions programme.

The Sten gun was thrown togethor in a year using components designed for different non-military purposes, by a nation under siege and undergoing constant air raids, even at a time when most resources were being directed towards aircraft production, refugee evacuation, convoy duty, etc.

[DarkCloud]

Vote

I would like to call for a vote on allowing any more Breakoff factions in The Chiron Chronicle because it has been brought to my attention that breakoff factions are not in the spirit of the game... However if a player wants a new political group or religion within an already existing faction, those shall be allowed.

The populations on Chiron are too small at this point in the story for a new faction to survive.

Please vote

For breakoff factions
or
Against Breakoff factions


0000000
1 against vote.

[Clear Skies]

I vote against more splinter factions, and I'd vote against an overdose of new groups if I could.

[Desert Journeyman]

Well, then, there's not much left. If I could, I'd like a slightly more comprehensive run-down - about five to ten sentences - covering both Kane and Morgan. Thanks.

Also, Britain was still an industrial giant cranking out aircraft, large line vessels, and armored vehicles in the hundreds of thousands of tonnes. None of the factions can aspire even now to think of reaching that level.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Desert Journeyman
Well, then, there's not much left. If I could, I'd like a slightly more comprehensive run-down - about five to ten sentences - covering both Kane and Morgan. Thanks.

Also, Britain was still an industrial giant cranking out aircraft, large line vessels, and armored vehicles in the hundreds of thousands of tonnes. None of the factions can aspire even now to think of reaching that level.

Actually, they can produce aircraft and planes. They even produce whole cities. Also, you're forgetting that gun production was a low priority, and was accomplished with simple tools. Similar guns have been produced by other countries with less technology and industry, such as the USSR, China, and only slightly cruder weapons have been produced clandestinely in various parts of the world. Just look at the free market price of firearms, a generally accurate reflection of how hard they are to make - China can make good quality Kalashnikovs for under $100. Compare this with the cost of a single car or tank, and I think you can see that you could make enough guns for hundreds of men for the price of one truck or rover.

Don't know about Morgan, but my understanding of Kane is that we don't know a lot except this: He was a Hive general who got along somewhat well with the Peacekeepers, especially General Braddock. He defected to the PKs when the Hive declared war on them, and brought much of his army with him. His forces then participated in some of the battles around UN Data Acquisition. Today, he is trying to replace his losses in these battles and build up a military force based on Hive principles. His exact history, and what caused to make such a drastic step against the Hive, are not known to me. I bet you could work with him a little to make him what you want.

[Desert Journeyman]

As I've said before, eighty years have passed, and thus, quite a large infrastructure probably exists for each faction.

Although I do question the size of the population - one of the only factors that leads me to conclude there is indeed an established foundation moving away from the colonial standard.

Also - there are so many varieties of "gun" and so few "weapons" standards that providing for, servicing, and supplying those firearms is likely to be a large-scale undertaking. Especially in a society where resources are valued and surplus rare.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Desert Journeyman
As I've said before, eighty years have passed, and thus, quite a large infrastructure probably exists for each faction.

Although I do question the size of the population - one of the only factors that leads me to conclude there is indeed an established foundation moving away from the colonial standard.

Also - there are so many varieties of "gun" and so few "weapons" standards that providing for, servicing, and supplying those firearms is likely to be a large-scale undertaking. Especially in a society where resources are valued and surplus rare.

Only one or two kinds of small arms need be produced at all. Servicing and supporting is easy, guns are very durable as long as they are regularly cleaned with brushes and swabs.

I agree that the population seems a bit high, but it looks like that decision has already been made.

[Desert Journeyman]

I have not begun to participate, nor have I begun to read with too much scrutiny yet. But I do know that many sorts of weapons exist on Chiron. Supplying all of those cannot be an easy task. Especially as technology progresses so quickly.

[DarkCloud]

I've summarized what I could with Morgan in this thread and the Planning thread... If you need any more you must be specific about what you wish to know.

Sorry- I just cant see what you want to know about them right now.

[Desert Journeyman]

Well, where do the Morganites stand in terms of power? Aside from Morgan's political troubles, is that faction still Chiron's premier economic and industrial strength? Does Morgan have untold amounts of minerals and monies to cast about at will?

Or is Kane worth the taking, with his legions and troopers - that I could turn him into something of the faction I desired?

[Natan]

Originally posted by Desert Journeyman
I have not begun to participate, nor have I begun to read with too much scrutiny yet. But I do know that many sorts of weapons exist on Chiron. Supplying all of those cannot be an easy task. Especially as technology progresses so quickly.

Yes, but there have also been many great wars on Chiron, so apparently economies are not heaving under the strain - otherwise, the few factions which have not been involved in these wars would be in a dominant position, which is not the case. I maintain that compared to running a Navy (several factions have at least a dozen ships) or an air force, maintaining infantry armies is a peace of cake.