"Randomness is Good" turn tracking thread

[H0bbes]

Back to the Smurf.

[Flubber]

and smurfed back to the Spartans--2209

In the control centre the general spoke the words " EXECUTE NORTHER GLORY"-- All across the globe, troops began operations.

[Flubber]

2210 to hobbes

[H0bbes]

Game over. Congrats Chairman, well done.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by H0bbes
Game over. Congrats Chairman, well done.

Thanks-- I appreciate your taking over like you did. Replacement roles can often be difficult

[SebP]

Congrats. And thanks for the replacement h0bbes

A couple questions:

- Will you tell me what the deal between the 2 of you in the first governor votes (where i so royally ****ed up and possibly decided this game(?)) was? I didn't notice any tech transfers.

- Related to the votes: Or had the cyborgs been infiltrated anyways?

- Flubber: When you attacked Net Warrior, why did you attack him early but the real invasion started nearly 10 turns later?

- Did i burn down UN-Hauptquartier (with the EG) too early? I mean, do you know if you would have conquered it on that turn?

Economics:
Do players with a thinner expansion scheme than the hive and spartans had in this game ever win or is this just as mandatory as the crawler thing? (It definitely would have been better for me, what with the small island i was on. I recall Flubber had bad terrain problems at gamestart as well)

[Flubber]

Originally posted by SebP


- Will you tell me what the deal between the 2 of you in the first governor votes (where i so royally ****ed up and possibly decided this game(?)) was? I didn't notice any tech transfers.

I forget-- There may have been tech involved but I don't think so. I had hobbes predecessor infiltrated andI offered a pact so the spartans had infiltration on me plus all any any information he requested about the others. Since my Hivesters had nervestapled previously and got no trade anyway, the only advantage of governorship was infiltration.

So basically the deal was to get infiltration on everyone else and share the information. Its logical from Hobbes point of view since he would rather be infiltrated by only one faction (two ways) than by two factions

Originally posted by SebP


- Related to the votes: Or had the cyborgs been infiltrated anyways?

My recollection was the cyborgs were NOT infiltrated at the time of the vote but would inevitably be infiltrated within a couple of turns anyway.

Originally posted by SebP


- Flubber: When you attacked Net Warrior, why did you attack him early but the real invasion started nearly 10 turns later?

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The attack was not really planned. Net Warrior's predecessor was not a very good player and left the empire in such a mess that I did not believe it to be worth conquering. BUt just as soon as I finished off the AI cult, I had extra units in the vicinity. I was actually trolling for worms on the border ( and trying to get a sense of the Cycon lands)-- When an impact rover moved into the fungus I saw it was in range of a cycon sensor-- , I knew they didn't have impact weapons so I stacked the rovers to avoid a probesteal. Next turn, net warrior was building impact rovers everywhere. Two things were obvious --1. net warrior was getting help and 2. He was too good a player who was improving the cycon too quickly with rovers that could be aimed at no one but me

So I attacked on a whim and destroyed crawlers formers and a base IIRC. But I didn't have a lot of forces in the immediate area. Net warrior had equal ability forces, a road network and a sensor net so after I took some minor losses trying to force the issue , I pulled back until the weight of my forces could arrive-- inclusing some key mindworms, probes and rover formers.

That might have accounted for the 10 year delay. I just remember that I kept maneuvring and Net warrior used the many bands of fungus between our lands to very good effect. I consider myself to be very good tactically but net warrior is at least as good. In the end though he did not have a chance since I just outnumbered him and in the end by using probes, an amphibious assault, mindworms and just simply more troops. My losses were actually quite acceptable.

Originally posted by SebP


- Did i burn down UN-Hauptquartier (with the EG) too early? I mean, do you know if you would have conquered it on that turn?

Maybe a turn earlier than needed, perhaps two. I recall attacking to steal a tech and then again I slowed the attack ( since I knew I would be first to airpower). Burning your best base surprised me, but I would have been in a position to capture it ain a couple of turns,

Originally posted by SebP

Economics:
Do players with a thinner expansion scheme than the hive and spartans had in this game ever win or is this just as mandatory as the crawler thing? (It definitely would have been better for me, what with the small island i was on. I recall Flubber had bad terrain problems at gamestart as well)

I was on a tiny tiny island and prioritized the WP for that reason. The Hive are particularly well suited to dense base packing since

1. Support is often at a free 4 units per base and
2. pop-booming is hard

I have won games with much less densely packed bases but it depends on faction and terrain. Tight packing of bases can be brutally efficient but their are downsides

[SebP]

Originally posted by Flubber

I forget-- There may have been tech involved but I don't think so. I had hobbes predecessor infiltrated andI offered a pact so the spartans had infiltration on me plus all any any information he requested about the others. Since my Hivesters had nervestapled previously and got no trade anyway, the only advantage of governorship was infiltration.

So basically the deal was to get infiltration on everyone else and share the information. Its logical from Hobbes point of view since he would rather be infiltrated by only one faction (two ways) than by two factions

The last point doesn't apply, because i had the EG anyways. I also promised sharing information about you, but i did not want h0bbes to have insight in MY datalinks because i was very weak+ island and he had mcc so i did not offer pact. Interesting.

I was way too paranoid over much of the game, when i probably should have forged an alliance against you when i had global infiltration. I believe i'm just too weak at the game to correctly judge how strong your economic potential was even then.

My recollection was the cyborgs were NOT infiltrated at the time of the vote but would inevitably be infiltrated within a couple of turns anyway.


The attack was not really planned. Net Warrior's predecessor was not a very good player and left the empire in such a mess that I did not believe it to be worth conquering. BUt just as soon as I finished off the AI cult, I had extra units in the vicinity. I was actually trolling for worms on the border ( and trying to get a sense of the Cycon lands)-- When an impact rover moved into the fungus I saw it was in range of a cycon sensor-- , I knew they didn't have impact weapons so I stacked the rovers to avoid a probesteal. Next turn, net warrior was building impact rovers everywhere. Two things were obvious --1. net warrior was getting help and 2. He was too good a player who was improving the cycon too quickly with rovers that could be aimed at no one but me.
So I attacked on a whim and destroyed crawlers formers and a base IIRC....

Hmmm. I got NLM from him (later), and i believe i remember he had it before, actually even when i build the EG (in MY54?), i'd need to check.
He was getting help alright, with a little help from h0bbes and some coordination we both got FM and crawlers finally and we might have been able to catch up. You probably attacked at just the right time. Just happy my role in the governor votes wasn't decisive.

But I didn't have a lot of forces in the immediate area. Net warrior had equal ability forces, a road network and a sensor net so after I took some minor losses trying to force the issue , I pulled back until the weight of my forces could arrive-- inclusing some key mindworms, probes and rover formers.

Yeah those bloody rover formers and the supposed insta-raising you were doing with them. Though i admit when you raised land towards me you wouldn't have needed to raise it fast because i was really inattentive at the time, with cycon dead there was no hope of winning. To think i used my ships to patrol for probe ships, and even spartan ones still too, instead of at least trying to prevent a land bridge (i didn't know about rover formers back then, which can be used to bring the infantry formers to any coastal tile and raise in 1 turn i guess).

I consider myself to be very good tactically but net warrior is at least as good.

Must be sheer talent . Supposedly it was his first classic impact rover war.

Thanks for the answers, and the game.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by SebP


The last point doesn't apply, because i had the EG anyways.

Oh ya forgot that.

Originally posted by SebP

I also promised sharing information about you, but i did not want h0bbes to have insight in MY datalinks because i was very weak+ island and he had mcc so i did not offer pact. Interesting.

I didn't mind offering pact since my defenses were solid so I guess I offered a little more than you did. Plus I would get ZERO trade from governorship so in essence hobbes was trading me getting a look at your empire in exchange for him getting a look at mine

Originally posted by SebP




I was way too paranoid over much of the game, when i probably should have forged an alliance against you when i had global infiltration. I believe i'm just too weak at the game to correctly judge how strong your economic potential was even then.

I was a little surprised that it took you guys a while to start REALLY co-operating. By the time you did, it was your only option but it was really too late. The Hive can look deceptive early-- Kinda like your drones in our other game I never discount the industy heavy factions since they can bite you in the ass

Originally posted by SebP






Hmmm. I got NLM from him (later), and i believe i remember he had it before, actually even when i build the EG (in MY54?), i'd need to check.
He was getting help alright, with a little help from h0bbes and some coordination we both got FM and crawlers finally and we might have been able to catch up. You probably attacked at just the right time. Just happy my role in the governor votes wasn't decisive.

I don't recall that it was NLM he was gifted but I do recall that he had had a sudden influx of tech. When I combined that with the fact that he was building an impact rover in every base, I felt I had a troublesome neighbor and felt I should act.

Originally posted by SebP






Yeah those bloody rover formers and the supposed insta-raising you were doing with them. Though i admit when you raised land towards me you wouldn't have needed to raise it fast because i was really inattentive at the time, with cycon dead there was no hope of winning. To think i used my ships to patrol for probe ships, and even spartan ones still too, instead of at least trying to prevent a land bridge (i didn't know about rover formers back then, which can be used to bring the infantry formers to any coastal tile and raise in 1 turn i guess).

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Correct partly-- You do not need to bring the formers to the coast necessarily. From one tile inland you can bring a tile to over 2000m . . . that brings the coastal tile to over 1000m and then brings every tile adjacent to it (the previous coastal tile) to over 0m. I generally did it from inland to avoid the bombardment problem-- You could still have bombarded but you wouldn't be able to see the inland tiles so you would have to be guessing blind. With enough formers you can raise land in a turn so its tough to prvent

I had actually started raising land as a defensive measure. My first land raise probably prevented the spartans from meeting the cycon for 10 years . I then used it as an offensive tool against the cult and you. The spartans . . . . I used land raises to create a base in good air range and then chop and dropped them

Originally posted by SebP




Must be sheer talent . Supposedly it was his first classic impact rover war.

Net warrior?? Ya I would say its talent, skill knowledge whatever. He did everything right in the rover war-- He was particularly good at using his additional mobility from roads. But he was done in my the lack of industrial capacity from his predecessor. Plus I got mindworms and seabourne troops in theatre and just had too many threats. But in a 1 v1 game against NetWarrior from the start, I don't know that I would like my chances