"Earth Factions" ideas continued

[Clear Skies]

This thread seems like more trouble than it's worth, IMHO...

Personally, I wouldn't play with Earth-derived factions myself - being the SF nut that I am, I prefer the freshness & imagination of the original factions Plus, one of the basic tenets of SMAC was that the factions were divided 'not by nationality, but by ideology', which I think is a rather cool picture of the near future

[Mr. President]

If you're gonna play with Earth nations, you may as well play Civilization II.

And I'm sick of how everything, including the innocent "Who would you join?" thread, turns into a discussion of the merits of capitalism and communism.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mr. President
If you're gonna play with Earth nations, you may as well play Civilization II.

And I'm sick of how everything, including the innocent "Who would you join?" thread, turns into a discussion of the merits of capitalism and communism.

Yeah i agree.

Another thing, From what I have learned it's risky to start assiging civ related postitives and negatives. SMAC works around this by assigning these things based on Ideology instead of nationality. Otherwise, you just get a group of people upset. I argrued that it would be neat for CIV111 to incoparate this but quickly learned that its hard to do without offending someone. :shrugs:

[gwillybj]

People Pollute

If you're gonna play with Earth nations, you may as well play Civilization II.
And I'm sick of how everything, including the innocent "Who would you join?" thread, turns into a discussion of the merits of capitalism and communism.

I also agree.
That said, I do have a thought re the following:

What causes pollution is industrialization, uncontrolled industrial growth, and strictness of regulations in a country

no population=none of that
more population DOES mean more pollution.

Case point: Africa, away from the "civilized" areas. No industrialization, no industrial growth, no regulations, more population, mega pollution. The water isn't fit for a dog to drink.
In High School, I had a History/Social Studies/Civics teacher who toured an area in central sub-saharan Africa six months after a Peace Corps group was there. The Peace Corps had dug a well, found good clean water, and set up some pumps, along with basins and troughs. By the time my teacher's tour arrived, the water was dangerous because the villagers (instructed by their medicine man or Shaman or whatever) had dropped in two dead antelope to "bless" the well. Around noontime one day, a middle-aged man took off his outer garment and walked into the stinking pool of mud in his underwear. He took a crusty rag, wet it in the "water" and "washed" himself. He dipped a finger in the water and brushed his few remaining teeth. Then, in full view of everyone, he proceeded to pee in the very same water. My teacher asked someone if the man was insane. The reply? "No. That's what we all do."
Am I saying this is rampant throughout all of "Third World" Africa? Absolutely not! But it is an unisolated example of how un[der]educated people can ruin their own environment without industry.

[Switch]

not sure how strictness would INCREASE pollution. Actually, it depends on what you mean by strict regulations. ie, strict regulations on pollution would invariably DECREASE pollution (need I even say that?). What exactly is meant by that statement?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Once more the uninformed anti-industry bias show its face.

Industry in of itself is fairly clean. Pollution arises from transportation, lack of proper waste disposal, agriculture, etc.

Check out the CMA's stats of big polluters, you'll see very quickly that the largest source of pollution is the private citizen.

[johndmuller]

Perhaps you don't really need to make up any new factions at all; it seems to me that some of the basic SMAC factions might just do OK as is. Since these characters are all like old friends, it wouldn't be so offensive to have your country assigned one of them. How aboaut this for openers:

Yang: China
Morgan: US
Dee: New Zealand
Lal #1: Europe
Lal #2: India
Miriam #1: Central America
Miriam #2: Middle East.

One could include Canada and some Pacific Islands with New Zealand to beef them up a bit more. The Miriams could be combined into a single faction and Sparta added as Israel. Europe and perhaps the US could have outposts overseas like particularly Australia, Southern Africa for Lal-Europe and Japan & some Pacific islands with the US. Much of South America, Africa and Russia would be up for grabs. I don't think that Zak really has a home in this more or less real world.

[:) Smiley]

It's not that hard! You just put each of the characters in thier given home country, and it comes quite close!