"Earth Factions" ideas continued

[MarkG]

MarkG posted 02-22-99 20:13 EDT

Any ideas on making earth factions, like a German faction, an Engilsh one, a US, etc...

What would be the advantages and disadvantages of each?

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Kinjiru posted 02-23-99 08:46 EDT
Boy we are just inviting sterotyping aren't we? =)

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MarkG posted 02-23-99 09:43 EDT

Hehe, not my intention, but you got to admit that TODAY some countries have a better industry than others, a better economy than others, a better army than others, less democracy than others, etc...

How about "accepting" an English faction only from English smacers?

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Kinjiru posted 02-23-99 18:45 EDT
Okay, i am game (just waiting for the flames)...

Russia - Major inefficieny (due to corruption and chronic nutrient shortage)

US - would normally have low support rating due to democratic and free market, but high morale would even this out - so call it a neutral support rating, fairly high research, neutral planet rating due to advanced tech which would even out the sprawl and large pop.

Western european factions - high nutrient availability would lead to high growth rating, neutral research, neutral planet

Eastern european factions - high support due to relatively new-found democratic ideals, low research and very low planet rating since they would be still in the developing mode.

Latin/South American/South Asian - neutral research, very low planet (major popultion due to nature of developing economies/industries), very low probe (high corruption - strong cartels)

Australians - ridiculously high support (just keep em drunk), neutral probe, low everyhting else

Chinese - high research, moderate probe (maybe +1) due to fear, low support but maybe figure out a way to make units cheaper, high gwoth, very low planet (big population and lots of pollution)

Hmmm... that's it for now. Who's next?

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Pythagoras posted 02-23-99 19:42 EDT
I think it'd be better if we talked about different leader's characteristics. We should stick to saying stuff like 'Stalin's philosiphy would create his society to be . . . list all the Social engineering stuff he would get bonusses/minusses etc. '

Also, if anyone is interested in helping to create an Earth Mod for SMAC, please give your thoughts on the SMAC hacking thread
Ideas, 'civilized' criticisms are welcome! I'm trying to rally support. With the Earth map coming out, and people getting ideas about 'historical' scenarios, a fully functional Earth Mod is needed. Essentially it will utilize SMAC's gameplay/interface, to create a Hitorical, civ-like environment. Feedback (positive or negative) is desired!! :]

Thanks, Pythagoras.
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St Leo posted 02-26-99 23:40 EDT

Americans: I disagree with Kinjuru on their planet rating, since I feel we should rather stick with reality. And since their urban sprawl is the worst in the world they should get a horrible planet rating.

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Jean Chretien: Hey, I get the right to be biased as well.:-) An eternal neutral, never associates with any particular position for long. No bonuses or penalties whatsoever.

Prince Charles: High morale rating due to his family's internal workings as shown by the papparazzis. But the speeder chassis gets 1.5 movement points due to ears getting in the way.

Pope Johnie-Paul II: Immense population growth due to bans on birth control, abortion, divorce, and euthanasia with correspondingly low planet rating. Cannot make Knowledge Social Engineering choice.

Bill Clinton: Above average population growth, but science is reduced due to half the kids being the president's.

Boris Yeltsin: Negative random disasters don't apply due to paramount experience in dealing with them. Planet rating low due to highly polluting industrial practices.

Nelson Mandela: High planet rating despite high population growth. Unhappiness above average due to discontented Boer descendants.

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hopefully everything will appear right on this post...

Markos, Apolyton CS

[Biggles]

Pythagoras. I have not bought SMAC because the sci.fi aspect does not interest me.
I hope you are successful creating an Earth like scenario pack. I would buy the game then.

[St Leo]

Thanks Biggles.:-)

[duMa]

Heehee, I was just considering this Earth Leaders scenario and here we have a thread way at the bottom of the pile (literally).

These days, a few of the leaders would change, but it looks pretty fun so far.

My idea was to put together a Earth Mod and eventually run a multiplayer game with it.

Consider this a bump.

I'd be more than happy to slap this mod together but to expect it to be played, it should be reputable. Thus, feedback from abroad is appropriate.

Feedback away!

[Shai-Hulud]

I've made two factions based on earthlings. They came out pretty well although unpolished. I would love to make Cold War scenario. West vs East, Capitalism vs Socialism. I think it could be fun to play it in MP knowing that we have socialist SMAC players and capitalist emphatizers here at Apolyton.

[Kassiopeia]

There was a Finnish faction here somewhere, but I think it's source page is down.

[Archaic]

Re: "Earth Factions" ideas continued

Originally posted by MarkG
Australians - ridiculously high support (just keep em drunk), neutral probe, low everyhting else

Any other Australians here insulted by this unfair stereotype?

[aaglo]

Finnish faction:

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by aaglo
Finnish faction:

[Cybergod]

Eastern european factions - high support due to relatively new-found democratic ideals, low research and very low planet rating since they would be still in the developing mode.

AHEM!!!

Could you just try and count all the names in research centres, r&d laboratories, technitians, important scientists, whose surnames end with "ic"!!!!!!! No you couldn't because there are so many of them -->

There should be a plus in research but also a negative probe since many of countries the Eastern Europe are disunited.

But really this kind of a mod would be particullary (and probably uninterntionally) rasist. Who can say what is bad with your neighbour? It is probably best tp do it the Civ way by just giving two (or possibly 3) pluses but no minuses.

[Xian]

HIGH POPULATION DOES NOT CAUSE POLLUTION!!!!! that is a total myth

[Kataphraktoi]

what about all those polluting people? smoke belching factories and power plants built to support this high pop?

[Xian]

People do not pollute, CORPORATIONS polute. The "law of population" is a right-wing, false, and biased way of blaming people for the ecological problems theyve caused. There has been NO CORRELATION between population and overall eco damage in real life. What causes pollution is industrialization, uncontrolled industrial growth, and strictness of regulations in a country. see http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secE6.html for details :-)

although i would love to play the americans in a game and emulate all the capitalist propaganda and stupidity it produces (trade with us or your an enemy of freedom!) , or better yet, play as stalin and mock state socialism (of course a police state is necessary! Do you want your socialist father to be beaten!?)

[Shai-Hulud]

Oh, CORPORATIONS pollute? And corporations are owned by?...Yes. People own corporations. So, what you know. It seems that after all people are responsible for pollution.

[Kataphraktoi]

What causes pollution is industrialization, uncontrolled industrial growth, and strictness of regulations in a country

no population=none of that

more population DOES mean more pollution.