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[Kataphraktoi]

I built the voice of planet. no tech is required for the ascendence. even if it claims to

[d=me]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
I built the voice of planet. no tech is required for the ascendence. even if it claims to

Hmm, so doesn't give people like yang like a super advantage? They don't have to research the tech and when univeristy researches it for them they use their super industry and minerals and cashes in their billion units to win?

[Senethro]

Originally posted by d=me
Hmm, so doesn't give people like yang like a super advantage? They don't have to research the tech and when univeristy researches it for them they use their super industry and minerals and cashes in their billion units to win?

If the Uni is the kind of player to build the Ascent before he is ready to insta-build it in one turn, then yes.

[Kataphraktoi]

Youll notice i either already have the ascent or have it rushed in that game d=me. in any case there must be 50 chopper supplys available to do the job if need be

[d=me]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
Youll notice i either already have the ascent or have it rushed in that game d=me. in any case there must be 50 chopper supplys available to do the job if need be

So if you have 50 supply choppers then they are going to convoy enough to build a SP in one turn?

[Kataphraktoi]

well if they cant, univ HQ did\had a bunch sitting there to upgrade. i havnt checked the sav, but i think i had enough to make 2 or 3 ascents by that point

and at 2000 mineral cost, i can assure you the AI couldnt create it before you. you could even corner the energy market before they finished

[d=me]

Originally posted by Flubber


But play your own way-- do whatever is fun for you. Learn from the people on here or don't-- just have fun.

Actually I'm doing that now. I have switched the beelines around a little but I still chose Centauri ecology as the second tech. But I got crawlers a bit later. I'm still the strongest and I have 7 bases. and I'm planning to expand. The only secret project I didn't get is the planetary energy grid and empath guild. Except for that I have everything.

The only major differences with before is that I'm using free market and I chose formers early and the crawlers.

But the problem is still the military part. I have problems managing my units effectively. Always happens the enemy get to attack me instead of me attacking them. Like my units always end up right infront of the enemy rover with 0 move points left somehow. Are there any tutorials on the Kung-Fu as been dubbed by Kataphrakoi?

[Kataphraktoi]

You probably need more practise is all. Most of us have years of civing vs high level opponents, and are comfortable facing overwhelming odds(and beating them). there are a number of tricks to do. Later game when you have a forest of roads up, you can pretty much gurrantee probing back any city you lose and simply use that as your defence combined with air power. Alternativly-You could just not play with spartans,etc.

For a peaceful game try

Cyborg
Morgan
Peacekeeper
University
Gaia
Free Drones
DataAngel

There is a distinct lack of articles on my newly-christined Kungfu fighting style Mostly everyone focuses on econ. Many players seem to be tactical masters off the bat without any articles. I presume this is due to the civ experiance i refer to earlier. here is one of the few military articles. perhaps you should try playing one of those factions using military,then when you go back to univ you can handle it easy.

And in any case, i highly advocate a standard sized map with 30-50 land. Fun stuff! Its like eating popcorn when you get those Spartan Elite's out- more more more action

If you ever play MP, theres nothing quite like ripping a player a new one using a weaker faction by far than him

[d=me]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
For a peaceful game try

Cyborg
Morgan
Peacekeeper
University
Gaia
Free Drones
DataAngel

And in any case, i highly advocate a standard sized map with 30-50 land. Fun stuff! Its like eating popcorn when you get those Spartan Elite's out- more more more action

The problem is this, I wanted a more peaceful with occasional skrimishes. But on a smaller map aren't the factions even more likely to go to war? I HATE when the game ends at like tech level 5 where the advanced stuff (eg. satellite wars) hasn't been even used yet. That's why I said instead of intense fury they should have a setting to make the leaders to be more cautiously instead of going to war. Like in the real world the soviets and the US didn't launch their missiles. But in the game they would have gone to war before WW2 ended.

[Kataphraktoi]

You could play my own scenario, that i play when i want a long peaceful game with insanely strong AI's that can actually keep up in tech without massive cheating. Its kindof like a sandbox game with a wrestling match at the end attached is a tamed versian with less Sats for the AI. There is no fungus at the start either,so you can make colony pods like mad it is much more econ based. no spartans here.

Senethro is a huge fan of the map. Here is his very enthusiastic mini-review:

I'm not going to play on that map because firstly the Angels are not an ICSing faction, secondly because it is not an adaquate simulation of a real game and thirdly because given that terrain, I would pop-boom. ICS takes flat arid deserts and turns them into teeming paradises where noone does any work and just sits about all day being Thinkers.

You play as Peacekeepers.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by d=me
So if you have 50 supply choppers then they are going to convoy enough to build a SP in one turn?

The way it works is that whomever builds the Voice has the first opportunity to transcend. I always build this project in one turn. If no one lese has the tech, you can take your time and even upgrade several rover crawlers to super-expensive varieties.

I have always transcended in one turn when the project became available. Think about it . . . on the previous turn you could dedicate your empire 100% to cash . . . you can have mag tubes built everywhere so that essentially every one of your crawlers can be moved in to finish things . . . You can disband units from EVERY base as long as the project-building base remains secure PLUS you can sell a facility at EVERY base for additional cash.

If all this is not enough to finish the Ascent SEVERAL times over, your empire is just far far too small .

[Leon Trotsky]

Originally posted by Flubber
I have always transcended in one turn when the project became available. Think about it . . . on the previous turn you could dedicate your empire 100% to cash . . . you can have mag tubes built everywhere so that essentially every one of your crawlers can be moved in to finish things . . . You can disband units from EVERY base as long as the project-building base remains secure PLUS you can sell a facility at EVERY base for additional cash.

Ascent to Transcendence is a particular case of instant building: it's build or bust, now or never, do or die. One may sell everything in order to get money: sell Nanoreplicators/Hybrid Forests every base, sell Controlled Singularity to an AI Miriam, sell Mother...

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Leon Trotsky


sell Mother...

Seriously-- Its actually pretty easy to do it. I have transcended in a PBEM before and in that case I took the precaution in building the Ascent in two bases reasonably far apart "just in case"-- It is actually really easy to instabuild it since on the turn that you finish the voice, you can have EVERY othery connected base build an expensive crawler and every unconnected base stockpile energy while your economy is set at 100% econ.

[binTravkin]

Senethro is a huge fan of the map. Here is his very enthusiastic mini-review:

[Kataphraktoi]

If you loaded that sav i linked too, you would notice on the turn before i had put a bunch of crawlers in the city the turn before then upgraded them to super-mega crawlers. i think choppers are about the best cost effective unit to use. marione has a GREAT post on the subject

Unsure what point this discussion has.(building the ascent)