Miriam reformed?

[livid imp]

Originally posted by babbler
I believed that the -1 planet was to keep the Believers form building a gaint army of Mindworms.

Although this idea seems to have been ignored but I am sure this was the basic concept behind the penalty. Coupled with their native +25% to offensive combat, an army of mindworms attacking at a +75% base would be a fearsome foe.

So the -1 planet while not totally preventing mindworm capture in Green SE, does slow it down and blunt the +75% offense to a +65%. My speculation is that they would have liked to further reduced the psi combat bonus, but going to a -2 planet would have prevented native caputure until Cybernetic SE.

[Nabvrimn]

Green Miriam must then absolutely crave the manifold nexus.

[Straybow]

Does Miriam's +25% apply to worms? It might only apply to human units.

[Commy]

Here people complain about the believers always being powerful, and yet those same people attempt to give miriam a lift. +2 support is a HUGE advantage. +1 probe? Big deal. Don't forget the fanatic advantage as well. -2 research is a small price to pay for huge militaries with +25% on all offensive attacks. Personally, I hate negative research. But -1 research is just not enough.

As for the bible. God told adam that he was the most important 'animal' and that all animals were for his uses, all fruits for him, and all land for him to till. Why Miriam even believes that there are other planets, I don't know. Why she believes there are aliens, I don't know, but I do know that religion has never done anything to help the environment. Barring that, neither has green peace...

[Mr. Harley]

Sorry, just checked it. If Miriam has native lifeforms, they DO NOT get the +25% attack bonus. Evidently planet rating, if attacking (mindworms only), and maturity are the only factors the game uses for native lifeform types, no matter who the owner is.

Firaxis already modified Miriam to make her a tough nut to crack. It's called the Usurpers.

[livid imp]

Originally posted by shawnmmcc
If Miriam has native lifeforms, they DO NOT get the +25% attack bonus.

Ok, I stand corrected. I still feel that the -1 Planet is a game balance mechanic. I can not find any necessary role-playing reason for the penalty, nothing say as strong as her research penalty.

[Natalinasmpf]

Firaxis already modified Miriam to make her a tough nut to crack. It's called the Usurpers.

But they're alien! And aren't fundy!

[Mr. Harley]

+25% to attack, pacting is larglely moot, and they generate energy internally. If anything they are more agressive than Miriam, unless you are the University. Not nearly as much fun to beat up in the threads, but a much bigger challenge to beat up in game. You want a real challenge - play Miriam solo SMAX with all the tough factions. Now that's tough. You will still win, but it takes well over a century.