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  • Status update from the administration

    This is an update on some of the stuff currently going on at Apolyton, the administration's current projects, etc.

    Forum upgrade

    Our highest priority at the moment is upgrading the forums. Currently, we are using a heavily modified version of vBulletin 2.0.3. We are looking at upgrading our forums to vBulletin 3 - that is, vB 3.6 or 3.7. Efforts to that effect have been ongoing for quite some time now. We do have a test version of vB3 running and all the basic functionality is operational but most of the advanced and semi-advanced functionality isn't working. Upgrading the forums is a very difficult process. Briefly, some of the points making it difficult are:

    * No automatic upgrade tool exists for a move from a version as old as 2.0.3. to vB3.
    * Apolyton is using a heavily modified version of vB - there are lots of tweaks that have been added over the years. Some are 3rd party hacks downloaded from respective websites, others have been developed in-house.
    * Civgroups is a feature developed here at Apolyton that needs to be ported over. Some of the functionality that civgroups provide exists in vB3, some doesn't. Unfortunately, a lot of hand-coding is needed when transitioning as a "straight" move to vB3 usergroups for this system is not possible.
    * Likewise, PLUS subscriptions need to be transferred to the new forums - the subscription information along with the working benefits of having a subscription, etc.
    * The database structure differs considerably between 2.0.3. and the current versions of vB, and many further changes to the database structure have occured during our years of forum usage.
    * Apolyton interfaces features and the overall Apolyton "look" need to be transferred to the new forums.

    That's a quick description of the hurdles we're facing. This thread has a more in-depth discussion of some of these problems.

    Gramphos is continuing heroic work on this entire mess. The vast majority of work on this upgrade is done by him, although he does only have limited time available to devote. Thanks to Gramphos for continuing work with this huge undertaking.

    At the present time, we can't give an estimate of when the new forums will be up. It's not that we don't want to, it's that we can't predict when we'll be ready to switch. Rest assured that it's currently viewed by the administration as a matter of highest priority, so we will continue work on the upgrade and will launch as soon as possible.

    As always, we welcome volunteers to assist with the migration. People with the desire to help and a knowledge of PHP and SQL are welcome to apply to help with the effort.

    Civ4 coverage

    While I'll be the first to admit that the activity in our Civ forums isn't as great as it used to be, we've made definite improvements with regards to Civ4 coverage in the last few months. CyberShy has compiled interactive reference sheets for Civ4 and both expansions. Nugog and RobWorham are continuing with the BtS TriLeague Tournament, the seventh game of which is about to go live shortly. 90 people have joined the TriLeague civgroup so far and we consider the tournament to be a success.

    Forum user statistics

    With special greetings to DrSpike, here are some statistics about forum users.

    Users registered in 2007: 6178
    Valid accounts registered in 2007: 4715 (approx)

    Here, valid accounts registered means that the account has been activated and is not banned (ie, being a spambot). Out of these 4715 users, 724 have posted.

    As for users who joined in 2007 and have been active. The number of accounts registered in 2007 that are valid and have more than 10 posts is approximately 110. The actual number is slightly lower because a few old-timers (such as WesW or CapTVK) have an incorrect 2007 registration date reported for them.

    There are 22 accounts registered in 2007 that have more than 100 posts. With the 2 abovementioned people's wrong profile dates, the actual number here is 20. Congratulations to b etor for having the mosts posts out of people registered in 2007

    A bit more traditional stats. 745 people have posted within the last month, 339 or 45% of them are posters with a post count higher than 1000. 555 people out of those 745, or or 75%, are long-time members as in people who joined before 2006.
    Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
    Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
    I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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    Actually it sounds like a gargantuan task and I wouldn't envy it. I've been involved in a change at work (from SAP 4.0 to 4.7) and that was quite an overhaul.
    Speaking of Erith:

    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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    • #3
      A useful update, and glad if I managed to move it along.

      The stats are interesting - but what should we be aiming for this year compared to last year?

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      • #4
        Obviously, we should be aiming for a better site. The main goal at this point is getting the forums upgraded - hopefully that's clear enough. Given that 2008 isn't going to see any new Civ game releases apparently (aside from CivRev) there's no reason to expect a period with a much heavier influx of new users than usual, as it happens when a new game is released. Still, we're aiming for post-release coverage of the games that do come out in 2008 - CivRev and Twilight of the Arnor, even if they're not the "main" branch of Civ.

        We're certainly continuing our Civ4 coverage and features. Sadly, there's not much on the modding front to tell you about but one interesting mod should be making a public appearance shortly.
        Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
        Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
        I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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        • #5
          Thanks for this info.
          Long time member @ Apolyton
          Civilization player since the dawn of time

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Solver
            Obviously, we should be aiming for a better site. The main goal at this point is getting the forums upgraded - hopefully that's clear enough. Given that 2008 isn't going to see any new Civ game releases apparently (aside from CivRev) there's no reason to expect a period with a much heavier influx of new users than usual, as it happens when a new game is released. Still, we're aiming for post-release coverage of the games that do come out in 2008 - CivRev and Twilight of the Arnor, even if they're not the "main" branch of Civ.

            We're certainly continuing our Civ4 coverage and features. Sadly, there's not much on the modding front to tell you about but one interesting mod should be making a public appearance shortly.
            Thanks - it's taken a while but a picture is beginning to form.

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            • #7
              Anything else?
              Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
              Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
              I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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              • #8
                Interesting. I'm curious on the stats for new users around the time of the April Fools joke, as well as if there was an increase when the polycast started advertising at CFC.
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                • #9
                  How old is vB 3.x at this point? Is there a danger that teh world moves to vB 4.0 just as we move to 3.x?
                  THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                  AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                  AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                  DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LordShiva
                    How old is vB 3.x at this point? Is there a danger that teh world moves to vB 4.0 just as we move to 3.x?
                    3.7 is still in beta, so it should be good for a while.
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                    • #11
                      Ahh the April Fools Joke... I had fun attacking an entire forum and getting away with it

                      And there are plenty of gaming forums active long after the game is released with no updates or new releases in sight... Everquest, WoW, Final Fantasy

                      hell, Duke Nukem!?!?

                      and with CFC growing and Apolyton doing updates i think we are going to be OK

                      plus AAHZ is here. im a freaking ICON remember...
                      pieceâ„¢
                      The Wizard of AAHZ

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                      • #12
                        Re: Status update from the administration

                        Originally posted by Solver
                        Congratulations to b etor for having the mosts posts out of people registered in 2007
                        A meteoric rise to fame there...
                        I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

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                        • #13
                          And thanks for the update Solver I can't wait to see Teh New Poly
                          I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LordShiva
                            How old is vB 3.x at this point? Is there a danger that teh world moves to vB 4.0 just as we move to 3.x?
                            3.7 is still in beta as Methos says and the latest non-beta release is from last November. vB4 is not coming for a while - it certainly won't be out this year and might not be out next year, either. When we complete the upgrade, we definitely won't be behind the times.

                            It's important to note here that we are trying to upgrade cleanly. That is, we don't want to just hack things together until the new forums work. We want to get it all into a much more manageable state than it is now so that the next time an upgrade is needed it doesn't take months of work.
                            Last edited by Solver; January 3, 2008, 11:05.
                            Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
                            Contact: solver-at-weplayciv-dot-com
                            I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zoid
                              And thanks for the update Solver I can't wait to see Teh New Poly


                              Thanks indeed!

                              New Poly...............

                              I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.

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