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    The Off Topic
    I think that the experiment of creating a different history and sports forums has proved to be the wrong way.

    As it is, the history forum has like, 4 posts per day, and the sports forum is more active, but does not justify its own thing, IMO. There's a limit to how much you can slice into targetted sections, when the target audiene is small.

    The OT itself has become much slower, with fewer posts and active posters. Looking at forums with less than 10 active threads is not exciting in any way. It certainly feels "below" the poly standard.

    What is worse is that many fun and interesting OT posters have limited their reading to subforums, and are now much less frequently drawn to participate in the OT.

    People come to the OT because it's varied. You can talk about politics, news, sports, history, tech stuff and plain old nonsense - and its fun (more or less) because of the people.

    I say that we reunite the OT back into a large include-all community. In its current size, the OT can not support 2 subforums. I would even go as far as to include the "Other Games" forum as well. It is not as different in content from the OT.


    Other Forums
    Nation States, Paradox Games, as well as the Stories / Diplomacy forums don't really justify themselves, but I realize that some of them must have their own subforums to exist. So they should be moved as subforums of the OT.

    The Civilization General forum is a bad idea IMO. Most discussion about Civ V probably happens in the Civ IV forum as it is. Instead, the Civilization (non-windows), civ 1 forum, and all the different Alternative Civilizations forums should be united in a single "Civilization Series / Alternative Civs" forum.


    Civ IV section
    Besides that - I also think that similar reform might be needed in the Civ IV forum.

    Unite the current help and stories forums back into the general forum. No justification for sub threads.
    The AU and HOF Tournaments should be united into strategy. same reason. Make the strategy and creation forums, new sub-forums of the general forum. Cancel the Civ IV multiplaying sub-forums.


    I realize that most of these forums were useful at the time, but they are no longer. Right now, they just contribute to the site looking like a thread graveyard.


    So how would it all look?

    1) the new OT:
    Off Topic (includng other games, history sports)
    - Stories and Diplo
    - Nation States

    2) The new Civ-General:
    Civilization Games / Alternative Civs / Civilization 1

    3) The new Civ IV:
    Civilization IV - General / Help
    - Strategy / Apolyton University
    - Creation and Modpacks
    - Creation: Civ IV Alpha Centaury
    Civilization IV Multiplaying / MP Tournaments / PBEM
    Civ4 Democracy Game
    Civ4 Warlords Team DG
    Civ4 SPDG The Atlantians
    157
    I [color=green][b]support[/b][/color] reuniting the history/sports threads into the OT
    8.92%
    14
    I [color=red][b]object[/b][/color] reuniting the history/sports threads into the OT
    8.92%
    14
    --
    5.73%
    9
    I [color=green][b]support[/b][/color] including Other Games / Diplomacy in the OT
    3.82%
    6
    I [color=red][b]object[/b][/color] including Other Games / Diplomacy in the OT
    14.65%
    23
    --
    5.10%
    8
    I [color=green][b]support[/b][/color] the Civ-General unification proposal
    8.92%
    14
    I [color=red][b]object[/b][/color] the Civ-General unification proposal
    5.73%
    9
    --
    6.37%
    10
    I [color=green][b]support[/b][/color] the Civ IV reform proposal
    8.28%
    13
    I [color=red][b]object[/b][/color] the Civ IV reform proposal
    5.73%
    9
    --
    5.73%
    9
    All of your ideas are a bunch of crap
    3.82%
    6
    All of your ideas are a bunch of bananas
    8.28%
    13
    Last edited by Sirotnikov; June 18, 2007, 05:40.

  • #2
    I vote for One Big Forum.
    ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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    • #3
      I'd ditch the History forum, it hasn't proven itself, but I would definitely keep the Sports forum... obviously because I post in it

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      • #4
        I object reuniting the history/sports threads into the OT

        We finally got rids of all those sports threads, don't send them back to the OT again

        And Other games should still be other games, not throwing it all into OT
        This space is empty... or is it?

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        • #5
          Yeah, I really like the bozos who voted for the "---" options

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          • #6
            ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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            • #7

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              • #8
                All your ideas are a bunch of crap. I am teh conceiver of History forum. I will not let it die
                "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                Middle East!

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                • #9
                  The following restructuring within our CivIV forums has been discussed and debated amongst the staff for a little while now and the following changes have been executed:

                  1. "Civ4 Strategy & Education" and "Civ4 Help" forums absorbed by "Civ4 General", now "Civ4 General/Help/Strategy".

                  2. "Civ4 Multiplaying"'s "Civ4 MP Tournaments" sub-forum absorbed into main forum.


                  Prompted by Sirotnikov's notes and suggestions, and my own assessment:

                  3. "Civilization Series General"'s "Civ1 & Colonization" and "Civilization (Non-Windows)" sub-forum absorbed into main forum; now "Civ Series General/Legacy/Non-Windows" and a forum of "Civilization IV" for greater exposure and related natures.


                  Some further comments:

                • I can see the argument here, but the "History" sub-forum of "Off Topic" will not be absorbed back into the OT. Its traffic may be smaller than "Sports", but it's still an identifiable and viable niche for discussions in that forum.
                • "Other Games" does not belong as a sub-forum of "Off Topic". While some "Other Games" topics do appear in the "OT", "Other Games" will remain as a separate forum entity, and their sub-forums within that identity.
                • I disagree that the "Civilization Series-General" has even been a bad idea, but perhaps it is better served as a separate forum within the "Civilization IV" grouping once again -- its should get, and certainly previously got, better exposure there even if strictly speaking it doesn't exactly 'belong' in that grouping. (See related note above).
                • "Alternate Civs" forums are remaining as they are -- an identifiable and viable part of the Apolyton community.
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                >> PolyCast (Civ strategy), ModCast (Civ modding), TurnCast (Civ multiplay); One More Turn Dramedy

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                • #10
                  I voted for all options (including the --s) except for objecting to merging OT with Sports and History. That should happen.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by LordShiva
                    I voted for all options (including the --s) except for objecting to merging OT with Sports and History. That should happen.
                    "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                    I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                    Middle East!

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                    • #12
                      I support the 1st and 3rd and object to the 2nd and 4th.
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by DanQ
                        ...
                        Prompted by Sirotnikov's notes and suggestions, and my own assessment:

                        3. "Civilization Series General"'s "Civ1 & Colonization" and "Civilization (Non-Windows)" sub-forum absorbed into main forum; now "Civ Series General/Legacy/Non-Windows" and a forum of "Civilization IV" for greater exposure and related natures.


                        I appreciate the responsiveness and interest in my opinions.

                        You're the best owner ever
                        we really need a better slut / suckup smilie

                        I think the rest of my opinions are equally as good, so I'll post my retorts, one last time:


                      • I can see the argument here, but the "History" sub-forum of "Off Topic" will not be absorbed back into the OT. Its traffic may be smaller than "Sports", but it's still an identifiable and viable niche for discussions in that forum.

                      • As, for instance, "Politics" or "Tech news" would be.
                        But I think that the audience for each niche is
                        a) small
                        b) almost the same as for all other OT niches.
                        Thereby creating a situation where a single person has to visit 4 different off topic forums, in addition to the on-topic he is browsing.
                        (and they are: OT, History, Sports, Other Games).


                      • "Other Games" does not belong as a sub-forum of "Off Topic". While some "Other Games" topics do appear in the "OT", "Other Games" will remain as a separate forum entity, and their sub-forums within that identity.

                      • see response above.

                        what's the logic having a different forum for "other games", and not a different forum for computer gadgets? its the same audience anyway.


                      • I disagree that the "Civilization Series-General" has even been a bad idea, but perhaps it is better served as a separate forum within the "Civilization IV" grouping once again -- its should get, and certainly previously got, better exposure there even if strictly speaking it doesn't exactly 'belong' in that grouping. (See related note above).

                      • I don't think its inherently bad. I think it proves impractical.
                        People develop the ideas while playing the most current game... and post them in the Civ IV forum.

                      • "Alternate Civs" forums are remaining as they are -- an identifiable and viable part of the Apolyton community.

                      • I think that if you take a look at the related threads, you'll see a blank page, because no one posted there within the last month or more.

                        Courts of Candle'Bre - Thursday, 16th November 2006
                        Freeciv - Saturday, 17th March 2007
                        Humanitas - Sunday, 29th April 2007
                        Alternative Civilizations - Monday, 6th November 2006*

                        Most of these posts are 'bump' posts, and the bulk of threads has a last posting date of 2005, 2006.

                        * - not including the HOF, which isn't a real on topic discussion.


                        In my opinion, having the forums around appearing dead, does not help poly, but rather makes it look... well... unlively.

                        A new comer stumbling there won't see any threads at all, and might suspect that poly is a generally slow unlively place.


                        Anyways:

                        Three cheers for Apolyton!
                        Last edited by Sirotnikov; June 18, 2007, 14:00.

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by Will9
                        I support the 1st and 3rd and object to the 2nd and 4th.
                        A "half-and-half" response: nice that you approve in part, but good thing this is not a democracy.
                        PolyCast Co-Host, Owner and Producer: entertaining | informing civ
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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by DanQ

                          A "half-and-half" response: nice that you approve in part, but good thing this is not a democracy.
                          He was responding to me

                          Why must you take credit for everything?

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