Suggestion for civ4 (sub) Forum structure

[lord of the mark]

Id like to support what Nikolai said.

Vickie, HOI, and CK are all very similar to the EU's in gameplay, etc. Seeing as we dont have the level of activity to have seperate subforums about them it would seem to make more sense to group them with the EUs than to dump them with "other games"

OTOH, if the concern is with 'civishness' and not wanting to become a site for any old wargame, etc, I could see pushing HOI out (even though its perhaps the most populat of the above) But Vickie and CK are very much in the civ tradition of long period 4x games, in a historial setting, that go beyond any particular war, etc.

Also, note, over time features have been added by Paradox or by users to make possible continuity between the games. At this point you can go from CK to EU to Vicky, making a game with a decidely 'civish" time span.

[DrSpike]

Not that I care really either way but it is a very odd change to make. I've said to Nikolai elsewhere to start a new thread on this.

[DanQ]

Compromise on the Paradox forum split: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...46#post4845246

This thread will now return to its original/intended topic which is on CS' suggestions for CivIV sub-forum structure changes on-site.

[DrSpike]

Sorry but there isn't a thread on this I can post this in.

I suspect the Paradox fans will point out that there isn't really enough traffic for 2 and a bit Paradox forums. As an unbiased outsider that's certainly what it looks like to me.

[Nikolai]

You read my mind. I fail to see why the civesque EU series should have a forum of it own without the just as civesque Victoria and CK, especially when the traffic is as low as it is. That the HoI series got it's own forum is okay, while it's based on the EU series, it's pretty different.

[Nikolai]

Just saw the change. I'm very pleased.

[DanQ]

Originally posted by Nikolai
Just saw the change. I'm very pleased.

Thanks -- as am I. The 'real' solution struck me not a half-hour ago as of this writing.

For those uncertain what Nikolai and I are talking about , see http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=164250

[DrSpike]

I posted my response in the appropriate forum.

[DanQ]

Following CyberShy's recommendations and discussion amongst Apolyton staff, the following changes in our Civilization IV forum structure have been executed:

- "Civ4-Stories/Reviews" renamed "Civ4-Stories"
- "Civ4-Help" made a sub-forum of "Civ4-General"

(Am I sounding 'formal' to annoy some people? Maybe. )

[DrSpike]

So you have considered and rejected the bulk of the suggestions?

[DanQ]

Originally posted by DrSpike
So you have considered and rejected the bulk of the suggestions?

Correct.

We do not want to make the DemoGames forums subforums of a multiplayer forum -- it would make it even harder for people to find and, ideally in turn, join one or both of them. We need to continue to promote this popular activity and not "bury it deep" in the navigation structure. If anything we need to find ways to promote the DGs even more... suggestions are welcome.

As for tournaments, Apolyton University and the like, we hope to see members of our community initiate a revival effort in them sooner rather than later. Closing or merging them would be counterproductive to this outlook.

[DanQ]

Originally posted by DrSpike
I posted my response in the appropriate forum.

Reverted name back (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...02#post4847102). That's that.

[ZEE]

i honestly believe that the DemoGames are very hard to find right now. if it wasnt for a link to one of them that a poster linked to the Civ4 General forum... i believe i never would have found it, and joined my demo games group.

I honestly do not know much about running a website, i know the costs involved must be very high indeed, but perhaps a bit of advertising might be in order. I know there is a very limited caste of people that play civ, but if indeed we have the attention of firaxis perhaps we could use that to our advantage? This might not seem like an answer to simplifying the Civ Forums, but when we get more traffic and people here... that problem wont seem as bad as it does right now.

please let me also say that we shouldnt just give up either. i fully realize times are tough right now, but we have a community of tight knit people here. there are even some i have met on Poly that i can honestly call friend. Simplifying the Civ Forums is very important i agree... as Civ is why we have all come together... in the first place.

thank you for taking the time to read this...

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by DanQ

Correct.

We do not want to make the DemoGames forums subforums of a multiplayer forum -- it would make it even harder for people to find and, ideally in turn, join one or both of them. We need to continue to promote this popular activity and not "bury it deep" in the navigation structure. If anything we need to find ways to promote the DGs even more... suggestions are welcome.

As for tournaments, Apolyton University and the like, we hope to see members of our community initiate a revival effort in them sooner rather than later. Closing or merging them would be counterproductive to this outlook.

Fair enough - thanks for explaining. Though if you are taking that route presumably you have plans to recruit more people with sufficient time to reinvigorate some of those elements.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by DanQ

Reverted name back (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...02#post4847102). That's that.

I think it's for the best. I hope you understand I was just posting my honest assessment rather than disagreeing for arguments sake, as some here like to do.

For changes like this might I suggest consultations are a better model than random decisions being taken, challenged, and subsequently reconsidered. That way all the arguments can be out in the open before you make an informed decision.