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**Straybow** · June 6, 2006, 18:40

Originally posted by Nikolai
You call Civ4 crappy?

Yep. The one thing that kept Civ1 & Civ2 from being one-dimensional (ie, yet another wargame) was trade, and that was effectively removed from the game in Civ3. I've seen nothing in Civ4 to make me interested.

At least Civ3 had two innovative changes worth mentioning: minor wonders and happiness luxuries exchange (I won't call it trade). Civ4 has added nothing substantial that I can tell from reviews and user comments.

Trade was also removed from SMAC, which is its chief and unpardonable sin, in my eyes. But the greatness of the unit workshop (despite nasty UI) and SE almost balances the lack of trade.

**Nikolai** · June 6, 2006, 19:05

Originally posted by Xuenay

[MOD] Fall from Heaven

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=148075

Fall from Heaven Version 1.0 Download here: Fall from Heaven 1.00g (123 MB, updated 12/16/2006) This Mod requires Civilization 4 patch 1.61 to play. Save games will not work between versions. Fall from Heaven is a Fantasy based mod that brings more focus on the Religion and Promotion...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171398

Thanks.

**Urban Ranger** · June 6, 2006, 21:45

Originally posted by Straybow
Trade was also removed from SMAC, which is its chief and unpardonable sin, in my eyes. But the greatness of the unit workshop (despite nasty UI) and SE almost balances the lack of trade.

Eh? Trade is in Alpha Centauri, unless you are taking about the camel. Although the supply crawler does most of what the camel could do.

**Kuciwalker** · June 6, 2006, 21:55

Originally posted by Straybow

Originally posted by Nikolai
You call Civ4 crappy?

Yep. The one thing that kept Civ1 & Civ2 from being one-dimensional (ie, yet another wargame) was trade, and that was effectively removed from the game in Civ3. I've seen nothing in Civ4 to make me interested.

At least Civ3 had two innovative changes worth mentioning: minor wonders and happiness luxuries exchange (I won't call it trade). Civ4 has added nothing substantial that I can tell from reviews and user comments.

Trade was also removed from SMAC, which is its chief and unpardonable sin, in my eyes. But the greatness of the unit workshop (despite nasty UI) and SE almost balances the lack of trade.

Can I have some of what you're smoking?

**Zoid** · June 7, 2006, 06:31

Oh my goodness, I just browsed through the OT section. I had a nasty little war going on with Saras there in the "Socialism (again)" thread

It wasn´t as bad as I thought it would be, actually. I made several good points. Of course, today I don´t give a **** about anything

**Provost Harrison** · June 8, 2006, 11:07

Re: Some recovered alpha.owo threads online

Originally posted by Xuenay
Download locations:

http://www.stellapolaris.info/alpha.owo/Alphaowo.zip (temporary, will be moved from here to http://www.civgaming.net/ once their site admin comes online)

Interesting...