"NFL Football is Back!" 2011 Season Thread

[SlowwHand]

Aikman. 104.5 career passing rating.

Year 	Age 	Tm 	Pos 	No. 	G 	GS 	QBrec 	Att 	Y/A+ 	NY/A+ 	AY/A+ 	ANY/A+ 	Cmp%+ 	TD%+ 	Int%+ 	Sack%+ 	Rate+
1989 	23 	DAL 	QB 	8 	11 	11 	0-11-0 	293 	78 	82 	70 	72 	91 	88 	68 	106 	74
1990 	24 	DAL 	QB 	8 	15 	15 	7-8-0 	399 	88 	84 	83 	81 	101 	86 	87 	88 	86
1991* 	25 	DAL 	QB 	8 	12 	12 	7-5-0 	363 	114 	109 	112 	109 	130 	90 	113 	95 	114
1992* 	26 	DAL 	QB 	8 	16 	16 	13-3-0 	473 	109 	115 	113 	117 	120 	114 	108 	115 	118
1993* 	27 	DAL 	QB 	8 	14 	14 	11-3-0 	392 	122 	122 	127 	126 	133 	101 	128 	104 	129
1994* 	28 	DAL 	QB 	8 	14 	14 	10-4-0 	361 	114 	121 	108 	113 	120 	98 	97 	117 	109
1995* 	29 	DAL 	QB 	8 	16 	16 	12-4-0 	432 	122 	130 	124 	129 	123 	97 	126 	120 	122
1996* 	30 	DAL 	QB 	8 	15 	15 	10-5-0 	465 	100 	109 	99 	104 	124 	83 	106 	118 	103
1997 	31 	DAL 	QB 	8 	16 	16 	6-10-0 	518 	92 	93 	99 	100 	98 	97 	113 	106 	101
1998 	32 	DAL 	QB 	8 	11 	11 	7-4-0 	315 	111 	122 	115 	122 	111 	98 	123 	126 	113
1999 	33 	DAL 	QB 	8 	14 	14 	7-7-0 	442 	99 	105 	102 	105 	108 	98 	108 	117 	104
2000 	34 	DAL 	QB 	8 	11 	11 	4-7-0 	262 	90 	95 	78 	82 	106 	85 	68 	114 	81

Eli Manning, 94.7 through last year.

Year 	Age 	Tm 	Pos 	No. 	G 	GS 	QBrec 	Att 	Y/A+ 	NY/A+ 	AY/A+ 	ANY/A+ 	Cmp%+ 	TD%+ 	Int%+ 	Sack%+ 	Rate+
2004 	23 	NYG 	qb 	10 	9 	7 	1-6-0 	197 	73 	77 	71 	74 	63 	88 	76 	103 	68
2005 	24 	NYG 	QB 	10 	16 	16 	11-5-0 	557 	97 	102 	99 	102 	77 	103 	102 	112 	93
2006 	25 	NYG 	QB 	10 	16 	16 	8-8-0 	522 	88 	93 	92 	95 	91 	107 	95 	112 	95
2007 	26 	NYG 	QB 	10 	16 	16 	10-6-0 	529 	88 	92 	88 	91 	84 	104 	88 	108 	89
2008* 	27 	NYG 	QB 	10 	16 	16 	12-4-0 	479 	97 	99 	104 	104 	97 	103 	113 	105 	104
2009 	28 	NYG 	QB 	10 	16 	16 	8-8-0 	509 	117 	116 	115 	114 	105 	115 	103 	103 	112
2010 	29 	NYG 	QB 	10 	16 	16 	10-6-0 	539 	106 	113 	99 	104 	107 	117 	77 	125 	102

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/

[Al B. Sure!]

I have no idea what you're talking about, Sloww. Aikman's career passer rating is 81.6.

Eli's is 82.1 but Eli doesn't have Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin.


I've been over this before and I think you even admitted as such that Aikman was very accurate but wasn't elite like Dan Marino is elite. He was a good QB on a great team that won Super Bowls.

[Al B. Sure!]

Article on how Brady and Eli are the best playoff QB's of all time:

The Super Bowl matchup of Brady vs. Manning won’t pit two of the best regular-season quarterbacks in NFL history against each other: That would involve swapping in the NFL’s other Manning brother, plus either conference realignment or a blockbuster trade. But then the Super Bowl isn’t the regular season, and it does pit two of the NFL’s best postseason QBs of all time. Yes, of all time — Eli Manning has amassed a formidable playoff record despite winning postseason games in just two different years.

I compared Tom Brady, Eli Manning and the 26 other QBs with at least 10 playoff games in history by compiling three key postseason stats: their won-loss record, QB rating and adjusted yards per attempt, a stat based on yards per attempt that incorporates the yardage value of touchdowns and interceptions. There are better quarterback stats these days, but they aren’t available for all of NFL playoff history.

Eli Manning ranks just behind his brother, Peyton, in rating and adjusted yards per attempt. But he makes up for it with his superior record — 7-3, compared to 9-10 for his older brother. That’s all the more impressive considering that five of Eli’s wins have come on the road, and one at a neutral site. Peyton has just two road playoff wins and one at a neutral site.

Brady, meanwhile, has nearly identical stats in postseason rating and AY/A to Eli Manning’s, and a slightly superior record (16-5) with the benefit of playing just five of those games in a hostile stadium. For Brady, this represents a falloff from his formidable regular-season stats — his rating drops off 9%, his adjusted yards per attempt 16% and his record 2%. Eli Manning, who isn’t quite in the NFL’s elite tier of regular-season QBs, thrives in the postseason. His rating rises 7%, his AY/A 6% and his record 21%. He’s among the all-time greats when it comes to rising to the postseason occasion: Just six other QBs with 10 playoff games improved in all three categories. They aren’t all among all-time greats, but they’re all playoff greats — the six are Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Bart Starr, Bernie Kosar and Jim Plunkett. To improve on regular-season stats in the playoffs, it helps to have regular-season stats that aren’t nearly impossible to improve upon, such as Brady’s.

This analysis has some pitfalls: Players’ playoff performance is weighted toward the seasons in which their teams qualified for the postseason and lasted more than one game, while I’m comparing their playoff results with their overall regular-season results. They tended to play better in the regular season in which they thrived in the playoffs, contributing to their teams’ success. Also, players generally face tougher defenses in the postseason than in the regular season. These two effects tend to cancel out: The average QB on the list was about as good in the regular season as in the playoffs. But Eli Manning has been a bit better, and Tom Brady has been a bit worse, which could make for a game as thrilling as the last time these two teams, and QBs, met in the Super Bowl.

It also occurred to me that 5 road playoff victories puts Eli above Flacco and Sanchez for most all-time.

[SlowwHand]

You don't understand? Add each year's rating and divide by the number of years. It gives the average, which is not the number you keep repeating.

[Al B. Sure!]

You don't understand? Add each year's rating and divide by the number of years. It gives the average, which is not the number you keep repeating.

Umm... you need to go back to statistics in school. That's not how you do that. You can't just sum and divide to average. Passer rating is a FUNCTION.

[Al B. Sure!]

And your yearly passer ratings come from where?

THESE are Aikman's ratings each year (Look: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/.../troy-aikman):

55.7
66.6
86.7
89.5
99.0
84.9
93.6
80.1
78.0
88.5
88.1
64.3

I have no idea where you got your numbers. Plus the way you presented them makes no sense. The numbers don't match the supposed headers. At Y/A, you have 78 his rookie year and it goes up as high as 130. His yards per attempt could not possibly be that high. At TD%, you have absurd numbers and even 114 when obviously, he couldn't have a TD% of 114%, it's physically impossible to throw more passes that go for TD's than passes in general. I looked to see where you got the headers wrong but those numbers don't even show up in his real stats. Only his number of attempts is right. Like I see 78, 82, etc. but can't figure out what that could possibly be in his rookie year.

[SlowwHand]

I posted the link, Al. You're exhibiting the same problem I've pointed out to you over and over again. You don't read, you argue.
I doubt that you ever have a meaningful conversation for the same reason, you're not listening. You're waiting for a chance to speak again.

[Al B. Sure!]

Are you retarded? YOUR ****ING LINK DOES NOT GO TO YOUR ****!

Your stats make no ****ing sense.

[Supr49er]

I'll ignore the stats and choose Joe Montana if I have one game to win.

[SlowwHand]

Click on QB, dumbass. You're lecturing me and can't even figure this out? Go away.

[Spaced Cowboy]

The rate+ column is rating index not rating. It does not say what exactly rating index is though, just 100 is average (for that year?), higher is better.

[Al B. Sure!]

Click on QB, dumbass. You're lecturing me and can't even figure this out? Go away.

Are you really this stupid?

Someone else please tell Sloww he is stupid because he seems to have no comprehension if it comes from me.

I would chalk it to him making a mistake but when I corrected him, he turned into an *******.

[ColdWizard]

Click on QB, dumbass. You're lecturing me and can't even figure this out? Go away.

He's a Giants fan from Philly. Pat him on the head, give him a cookie, and move on.

[Al B. Sure!]

He's a Giants fan from Philly. Pat him on the head, give him a cookie, and move on.

Excuse me?

Sloww is the idiot summing and dividing functions to get an average. Sloww is the idiot misrepresenting an unknown index as a passer rating.

[Al B. Sure!]

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