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[Al B. Sure!]

The Eagles having receivers just happened the past two seasons. Romo became a starter in 2006.

[MRT144]

The Eagles having receivers just happened the past two seasons. Romo became a starter in 2006.

I'm not going to go back to 2006 to compare numbers on individuals given the flux of the league and you saying Roy Williams is good. Cause he isn't. He had one amazing season and then has been on a slide since in no small part to him being targeted less than he was on DET. And Dez Bryant is a rookie so why rate him so highly on similar numbers to Roy Williams?

I think at this point in time and based off what we saw last year, PHI may have as good if not better receivers.

[Al B. Sure!]

2006:
Terrell Owens: 1180 yards 13 TDs
Terry Glenn: 1047 yards 6 TDs
Jason Witten: 754 yards 1 TD
Patrick Crayton: 516 yards 4 TDs
RB situation: Julius Jones was 1000 yard rusher, Marion Barber scored 14 TDs to go along with 654 yards rushing.

2007:
Terrell Owens: 1355 yards 15 TDs
Jason Witten: 1145 yards 7 TDs
Patrick Crayton: 697 yards 7 TDs
RB Situation: No 1000 yard rusher; Barber and Jones combine for 1563 yards and a dozen TDs

2008:
Terrell Owens: 1052 yards 10 TDs
Jason Witten: 952 yards 4 TDs
Patrick Crayton: 550 yards 4 TDs
RB Situation: No 1000 yard rusher; Barber gets 52 catches for 417 yards, though.

2009:
Miles Austin: 1320 yards 11 TDs
Jason Witten: 1030 yards 2 TDs
Roy Williams: 596 yards 7 TDs
RB Situation: No 1000 yard rusher; platoon system entrenched with Barber, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.

2010:
Miles Austin: 1041 yards 7 TDs
Jason Witten: 1002 yards 9 TDs
Dez Bryant: 561 yards 6 TDs
Roy Williams: 530 yards 5 TDs

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm not going to go back to 2006 to compare numbers on individuals given the flux of the league and you saying Roy Williams is good. Cause he isn't. He had one amazing season and then has been on a slide since in no small part to him being targeted less than he was on DET. And Dez Bryant is a rookie so why rate him so highly on similar numbers to Roy Williams?

I think at this point in time and based off what we saw last year, PHI may have as good if not better receivers.

Well the point is to look at Romo's receivers over his whole career and that goes back to 2006.

Regardless, if Romo has the 3rd or 4th best receiver group in the NFC, that's still far above the league average. The man is still blessed with talent.

Sloww's allegation that it's bad receivers that hold Romo back is preposterous.

[MRT144]

Also I think you're criminally under-rating NO's depth at WR and TE. Jimmy Graham had 5 TDs and Shockey had 3 and they had a combined 750 yards. But did they do so well cause Drew Brees is a boss? Possibly.

[MRT144]

Well the point is to look at Romo's receivers over his whole career and that goes back to 2006.

Regardless, if Romo has the 3rd or 4th best receiver group in the NFC, that's still far above the league average. The man is still blessed with talent.

Sloww's allegation that it's bad receivers that hold Romo back is preposterous.

I'd say the complete lack of a viable running back is what holds Romo back.

[Al B. Sure!]

Also I think you're criminally under-rating NO's depth at WR and TE. Jimmy Graham had 5 TDs and Shockey had 3 and they had a combined 750 yards. But did they do so well cause Drew Brees is a boss? Possibly.

A few years back when Brees came a few yards short of breaking Marino's season yardage record, what I found most compelling was that he threw for more than 5000 yards but didn't have a single 1000 yard receiver.

That says a lot about what makes the Saints passing offense what it is.

[SlowwHand]

You're both idiots, for different reasons.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'd say the complete lack of a viable running back is what holds Romo back.

I'm not so sure about that. They have a platoon system that is actually very effective taken as a whole.

Consider in 2009, Barber, Jones, and Choice combined for 394 rushes for 1966 yards (a 5.0 yard per carry average!), and 13 TDs, along with another 60 catches for 472 yards.

That's not at all bad for a RB platoon.

Last year, they were much much worse (averaging about 3.5 yards per carry) but the Barber/Julius Jones, and Barber/Felix Jones/Choice platoons have done pretty well for the most part.


In 2008, Barber had 52 catches. I wonder why he completely fell out of dis-use in the passing game. Felix Jones didn't exactly pick up that workload, either.

[MRT144]

2006:
Terrell Owens: 1180 yards 13 TDs
Terry Glenn: 1047 yards 6 TDs
Jason Witten: 754 yards 1 TD
Patrick Crayton: 516 yards 4 TDs
RB situation: Julius Jones was 1000 yard rusher, Marion Barber scored 14 TDs to go along with 654 yards rushing.

2007:
Terrell Owens: 1355 yards 15 TDs
Jason Witten: 1145 yards 7 TDs
Patrick Crayton: 697 yards 7 TDs
RB Situation: No 1000 yard rusher; Barber and Jones combine for 1563 yards and a dozen TDs

2008:
Terrell Owens: 1052 yards 10 TDs
Jason Witten: 952 yards 4 TDs
Patrick Crayton: 550 yards 4 TDs
RB Situation: No 1000 yard rusher; Barber gets 52 catches for 417 yards, though.

2009:
Miles Austin: 1320 yards 11 TDs
Jason Witten: 1030 yards 2 TDs
Roy Williams: 596 yards 7 TDs
RB Situation: No 1000 yard rusher; platoon system entrenched with Barber, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice.

2010:
Miles Austin: 1041 yards 7 TDs
Jason Witten: 1002 yards 9 TDs
Dez Bryant: 561 yards 6 TDs
Roy Williams: 530 yards 5 TDs

Looking at these numbers though it definitely seems like Romo definitely has tendencies:

1. Throw TDs to the #1 WR
2. Throw passes to Witten regardless of field position.

The thing that really sticks out to me is the falloff in TD and/or Yard production by the #1.

[Al B. Sure!]

You're both idiots, for different reasons.

You can tell when Sloww has no response to facts because he calls people idiots for vague reasons.

Doing a KrazyHorse impression, Sloww?

[Al B. Sure!]

The thing that really sticks out to me is the falloff in TD and/or Yard production by the #1.

What do you mean?


I find it interesting that 2008 was the only season Romo didn't have two 1000 yard receivers, as Witten was just shy of that number. Brad Johnson started a few games that year when Romo got hurt, though.

[MRT144]

I'm not so sure about that. They have a platoon system that is actually very effective taken as a whole.

Consider in 2009, Barber, Jones, and Choice combined for 394 rushes for 1966 yards (a 5.0 yard per carry average!), and 13 TDs, along with another 60 catches for 472 yards.

That's not at all bad for a RB platoon.

Last year, they were much much worse (averaging about 3.5 yards per carry) but the Barber/Julius Jones, and Barber/Felix Jones/Choice platoons have done pretty well for the most part.

2009 was better than 2007-2008 for sure but they've been pretty much league average at the 3 key rushing metrics since Romo started.

[MRT144]

What do you mean?


I find it interesting that 2008 was the only season Romo didn't have two 1000 yard receivers, as Witten was just shy of that number. Brad Johnson started a few games that year when Romo got hurt, though.

When Romo was out last year Kitna spread the ball around more.

[Al B. Sure!]

To get some perspective, compare to the Giants receivers in the same time-frame:

2006:
Plaxico Burress: 988 yards 10 TDs
Jeremy Shockey: 623 yards 7 TDs
Tiki Barber: 465 yards 0 TDs (Tiki had more yardage than #2 WR Amani Toomer this year)

2007:
Plaxico Burress: 1025 yards 12 TDs
Amani Toomer: 760 yards 3 TDs
Jeremy Shockey: 619 yards 3 TDs

2008:
Domenik Hixon: 596 yards 2 TDs
Amani Toomer: 580 yards 4 TDs
Steve Smith: 574 yards 1 TD

2009:
Steve Smith: 1220 yards 7 TDs
Mario Manningham: 822 yards 5 TDs
Hakeem Nicks: 790 yards 6 TDs
Kevin Boss: 567 yards 5 TDs

2010:
Hakeem Nicks: 1052 yards 11 TDs
Mario Manningham: 944 yards 9 TDs
Kevin Boss: 531 yards 5 TDs
Steve Smith: 529 yards 3 TDs


3 1000 yard performances in 5 seasons... and this has actually been a good group of WR's! But it has been nowhere near Dallas with NINE 1000 yard performances.