The Michael Vick Story

[SlowwHand]

NFL's Vick agrees plea deal in dog-fighting case

By Warren Fiske
Mon Aug 20, 5:28 PM ET

RICHMOND, Virginia (Reuters) - Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick agreed on Monday to plead guilty in a dog-fighting case that threatens to wreck the career of one of U.S. football's most dynamic stars.

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[PLATO]

Originally posted by DanS
Wow. This case sure did move fast.

12 months jail time will mean he serves 10 months with good behavior. That means that he will be out in time for training camp.

Assuming, of course, that he does not get a lifetime ban for gambling. NFL rules on gambling are much stricter than most other sports.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by PLATO


12 months jail time will mean he serves 10 months with good behavior. That means that he will be out in time for training camp.

Nah, even if he gets the just the year, he won't be sentenced until November or December, so unless the halfway house he finishes up the sentence is really lenient, he won't be backuntil midseason (or after the first 1/4) next year.

[snoopy369]

I don't think they give good behavior for federal time; time sentenced = time served usually...

[SlowwHand]

This is true.
Better conditions than state, but you serve the time.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Not necessarily. There is time off for good behavior, but no parole, which is something different.

To add:

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/488113.html

Federal judges often sentence criminals to a year and a day so they can earn credit for good behavior. The federal prison system does not allow inmates to earn such credit if their sentence is only one year. Phillips will have to serve about 10 months in prison if she behaves, according to one of her attorneys.

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by PLATO
That means that he will be out in time for training camp.

It appears Goodell will start the suspension when Vick gets out of prison, so he will certainly miss all of 2007 and 2008 at the very least. Speculation on suspension terms range from one year to "indefinite" to lifetime. Goodell has indicated he will base discipline on both the court case outcome and the NFL's internal investigation.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't get the the "internal investigation" stuff. He's pleading guilty (after 2 co-conspirators did and were going to testify against him). Assume the worst.

Do a one year suspension. It doesn't matter, because in point of fact, it'll be a lifetime bar because no NFL team is going to pick him up at this point.

[Lord Avalon]

The Feds didn't charge him with gambling, did they? But if the NFL finds evidence of gambling, then they'll probably give him a longer suspension.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
no NFL team is going to pick him up at this point.

I'm not sure that I agree with that. It will be interesting to see. If he is like most quarterbacks then he is still a few years away from his "prime".

[-Jrabbit]

The NFL's entire personal conduct policy is self-policing. If they base it on court cases, then they'll be at the mercy of defense lawyers. They need to frame things by their own shadowy systems so they can continue to do as they wish.

[Grandpa Troll]

I love animals and have my whole life. I abhor Micheal Vick and his crew, if what i have heard is true. But, he hasn't actually stepped forward and rung the bell yet folks.

Law aside from whatever his punishment he receives, I just wish the Sports authorities across the board would stand up and draw the line on activities detrimental to not only the sport each person participates in, but more importantly what kind of steward they are with the place in life they are.

As professional athletes we as ticket holders and acquirers of the various merchandise they endorse make them financially who they are on that level.

They have talent but what owner will pay a dime if everyone boycotted a team in this case Vick, is involved with?

The owners are not paying a dime folks, if it aint their, they wont pay it.

WEe have a saying in our field, ready mix concrete that is very basic on the sales and marketing level:

You have to sell concrete for more than it costs to deliver it into place. This includes Material costs, delivery costs, labor costs, G & A, fixed and variable associated costs across the board.

Same with these athletes, if we all held out our money, sooner rather than later, something has to give.

But as far as Vick goes, say he is out 3 total years, and then when he is eligible, 5 teams all need a quarterback.

Guess what, here goes the bidding again.

Shame, but I really dont see a person getting a life time ban.

Oh, hows Albert Haynsworth doing?

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Not necessarily. There is time off for good behavior, but no parole, which is something different.

Hmm, I must have misunderstood something then. Still, Parole is where most of the state reduced time comes from, isn't it (at least in long sentences)?

Either way, he has a tough judge sentencing him, and from what i've read the judge is not required to pay any attention to the plea deal in sentencing. While I presume he would generally follow it to some extent, in theory he could sentence him for up to 5 years, or so ...

[Lord Avalon]

Vick may be done as a QB. He never was an impressive passer, and his skills (and speed) will deteriorate after x years off. He may get tried out if and when he comes back (if it's a relatively short sentence), but IMO he'll have to earn a spot, and he might not make the cut.

Of course maybe he can work on accuracy drills in the yard.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
The NFL's entire personal conduct policy is self-policing. If they base it on court cases, then they'll be at the mercy of defense lawyers. They need to frame things by their own shadowy systems so they can continue to do as they wish.

meh, one see's the glass half full another half empty.

One see's lemons and another lemonade.

While I dont totally disagree with you sir, I will state that codes of conduct should be addressed on an individual basis.

I wish the sporting community as a whole would come down HARD!!! on any athlete caught with a handgun on their person unless so permitted.

Some of these athletes are livin large and in charge, and some do associate with wrong crowd.

Funny thing to me, these athletes are huge folks and in tip top shape but why do they need these huge entourages?

A sharp two edged sword is why, for one side the sword cuts out a chunk of the good life but on the other side, the antithesis
of provisions by the purchasing public, is the need people have to be near a star athlete. Then the athlete doesnt want all the pics taken or the nose bag people. He just wants their money!!

Tough decisions indeedy for the Pro Athlete.

Vick had no right to do the things alledged against him. But he not only engaged in dogfighting but the cruel punishment and training of dawgs!


"Shadowy" is perhaps the best way to beat the system that protects the likes of the subversive deviants such as Vick!