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  • #91
    Originally posted by Ming
    I will admit I was wrong on Heros...

    NBC could make more money running just about anything else than hockey. They are lossing tons of money by running Hockey vs far more profitable programming. Hell, the Stanley Cup was beat out by College Beach Volleyball.
    The NHL on NBC beat College Basketball on CBS, 1.1 to .70 (different game than Detroit vs Col, obviously)
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    • #92
      Dude, nobody watches college basketball in January. The games are all but meaningless...
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      • #93
        Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
        Dude, nobody watches college basketball in January. The games are all but meaningless...
        Not unlike NHL games in January between American teams?
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        • #94
          Originally posted by notyoueither
          I'd say it's equally damning of the broadcaster.

          You have a sport that draws well in Detroit, Boston, New York, Denver, Los Angeles (maybe) and they ignore it since it isn't marketed well (AKA, sold to them on terms they like).

          Is it journalism covering the story, or making the story? Is it any kind of journalism at all, or pure marketing?
          Well, look at it this way, it was on a competitor of ESPN, so naturally they aren't going to talk about it if isn't marketed well in other places. It isn't about 'journalism', but about the corporation making money.
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          • #95
            Not unlike NHL games in January between American teams?


            Aren't NHL games between Canadian teams even more meaningless? It's not like a Canadian team is going to win the Stanley Cup or anything...
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Asher
              The NHL on NBC beat College Basketball on CBS, 1.1 to .70 (different game than Detroit vs Col, obviously)
              Because of the matchups, you have to look at averages.
              A terrible college matchup will lose to a good hockey match up. A college game between North Carolina and Kentucky will out draw a bad hockey (and probably a good) match up. I'll see if I can find averages that make for a good comparison. From what I see from just eyeballing the weekly numbers is that hockey is usually getting beat.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by Ming


                You are looking at the past through the eyes of the present. Back in those days... the economics of sports was different. Free agency and unbelievable contracts didn't really exist. Most of the movement of players came via trades, not free agency. The players didn't really have a choice. This really changed with the formation of the World Hockey League (or association, can't remember) in the 70's. This competitive situation of providing an alternative to the players, changed the economics of hockey.

                So again, I repeat... the viablity of the NHL at that time was based on the money coming from the Big US market teams.
                Actually, what you've just said means that money wasn't all that important a consideration back in those days.

                You're damned if you do, damned if you don't Ming. From what I know about hockey history there's no indication that the NHL was kept afloat by big money coming from the States in the Original Six days.

                Basically, I think you're talking out of your ass here...
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                  Not unlike NHL games in January between American teams?


                  Aren't NHL games between Canadian teams even more meaningless? It's not like a Canadian team is going to win the Stanley Cup or anything...
                  Canadian teams have been, on average, better than the league average for a while now (at least a few seasons).
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                    Canadian teams have been, on average, better than the league average for a while now (at least a few seasons).
                    About the only Canadian team that isn't good is Edmonton.
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                    • #100
                      Toronto sucks too.
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                      • #101
                        Canadian teams have been, on average, better than the league average for a while now (at least a few seasons).


                        Well, they certainly aren't performing when it matters.
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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                          Actually, what you've just said means that money wasn't all that important a consideration back in those days.
                          No... you still don't seem to be understanding the difference in league economics between now and then.
                          You seem to be thinking that things were like they were just a few years ago way back then. The players were basically stuck and owned by the teams. The team didn't need to have a bigger salary than somebody else to have a better team. We aren't talking about a situation like the Yankees, a team that continues to try to buy a championship every year. The players really had one choice... play for what the team offered, or not play at all. So "MONEY" wasn't the determining factor in fielding a winning team.

                          However, money was important for the viability of the league. For the first decade of the NHL, there were only Canadain teams, and the league struggled financially. It wasn't until the US teams started joining the league that the NHL actually was a money making proposition.
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                          • #103
                            Ming...no. Stop.
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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by Ming
                              However, money was important for the viability of the league. For the first decade of the NHL, there were only Canadain teams, and the league struggled financially. It wasn't until the US teams started joining the league that the NHL actually was a money making proposition.
                              Uhm, yeah. The original 6 days of the late 30s weren't all that great, yaknow?
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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by Ming


                                No... you still don't seem to be understanding the difference in league economics between now and then.
                                You seem to be thinking that things were like they were just a few years ago way back then. The players were basically stuck and owned by the teams. The team didn't need to have a bigger salary than somebody else to have a better team. We aren't talking about a situation like the Yankees, a team that continues to try to buy a championship every year. The players really had one choice... play for what the team offered, or not play at all. So "MONEY" wasn't the determining factor in fielding a winning team.

                                However, money was important for the viability of the league. For the first decade of the NHL, there were only Canadain teams, and the league struggled financially. It wasn't until the US teams started joining the league that the NHL actually was a money making proposition.
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