Forgive those that trespass? Not in AZ

[Kuciwalker]

Ok, so in America where the power to govern is granted by the governed but the governed actually don't get to say anything at all. The representatives of the state derived federal government can decide what states will and will not do, can and cannot do.

Within their enumerated powers in the Constitution (primarily Article 2 Section 8), yes.

The citizens will obey all laws created without their knowledge or consent by the federal government, all amendments to the constitution created by the federal government without their knowledge or consent, and the federal government can, should, and will decide what is best for the united states as a whole without the voice of the constituents being taken into consideration.

See, the whole 'elections' thing is when they start taking our voices into consideration.

[Kuciwalker]

zaku: have you really never noticed that no one ever asked you to vote on any of the laws Congress passes? In fact, have you really never noticed that no one asked to to vote on any of the laws your state legislature passes? That's because YOU DON'T GET TO, only your elected representatives do.

[Imran Siddiqui]

the governed actually don't get to say anything at all

You could try... I dunno, voting for US Representatives and Senators? You know, how they are given their positions?

Or are you under the impression that they are hereditary positions?

Come to think of it, my state government (Georgia) constantly passes laws without my personal knowledge or consent

all amendments to the constitution created by the federal government

Incorrect. 2/3rds of the states are needed to pass an amendment.

[zakubandit]

Ok so what you sauid ^ up there, that whole

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Ok, so in America where the power to govern is granted by the governed but the governed actually don't get to say anything at all. The representatives of the state derived federal government can decide what states will and will not do, can and cannot do.
Within their enumerated powers in the Constitution (primarily Article 2 Section 8), yes.

that is called dictatorship. You know, when the governed have no consent. Yea, we gave power to the federal government in the Constitution. WE gave power to the government for them to have as much power as WE gave them and no more. WE are the first and foremost holders of power. Not the elected officials. We the people.


The Constitution of the United States of America is the supreme law of the United States.

Directly from the White House website, Constitution page.

[Imran Siddiqui]

that is called dictatorship

Aside from the whole voting thing...

[zakubandit]

I am aware of the structure of elected officals and all that crap, but what your saying is that they have no transparency and do not need to inform the governed of what they are doing. As Sloww said, you can petition...trust me I have done enough of that garbage. The elected officials in congress don't listen to the people, they just sit and try to get reelected. You can say oligarchy, I think that's the right term.

[Imran Siddiqui]

do not need to inform the governed of what they are doing

You could try reading the news. Start there, work your way up to:

http://thomas.loc.gov/

If you can handle that, of course.

The elected officials in congress don't listen to the people, they just sit and try to get reelected.

Reelected by..... the people.

[zakubandit]

Yes Imran, accept that liberal media more. Just let them tuck you in bed and tell you all is well, don't try and get information for yourself because it is bad to have your own thoughts. Those mean conservatives and moderates don't know what they are talking about, MSNBC does.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I wasn't sure the Library of Congress was "liberal media". Interesting...

And I'm sure that even Fox News reports on what Congress is doing. They must be too liberal though.

If you really want to be informed at what your federal government is doing and you can't, then you fail at life.

[Kuciwalker]

I am aware of the structure of elected officals and all that crap, but what your saying is that they have no transparency and do not need to inform the governed of what they are doing.

Yes. There is nothing in the Constitution requiring them to inform us of that. If you think there is, cite the relevant clause[s].

[zakubandit]

Imran, I got a whole long email list of legislatures, senators, representatives, and agency commissioners. Being involved while abroad requires the use of the internet, I think my senator has gotten enough emails from me alone to last him awhile. I email 2 or 3 politicians a week about various issues. I am involved in my hometowns local government, now from abroad. I get factual information, not liberal media. And no, Fox news tends to actually be balanced, same as Hong Kong daily...sometimes they swing left of center, but try to stay balanced and facts only.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So you are saying, through all of that drivel, that you ARE informed of what they are doing?

[KrazyHorse]

I get factual information, not liberal media. And no, Fox news tends to actually be balanced, same as Hong Kong daily...sometimes they swing left of center

Goddamnit, now I'm back to thinking brilliant DL.

Good job, Drake.

[KrazyHorse]

I honestly can't believe that somebody who's not legally mentally incompetent and who claims to be informed about the constitution of the United States can hold views as idiotic as zakuwhatever.

It's hurting my brain.

[zakubandit]

KH if you really hate me or think I am retarded then just shut the **** up and ignore me. Oh wait you like a good laugh. Feelings mutual. Your so blinded by your spoon fed social programs is amazing. Power getting stolen right before your eyes but you don't see it like that. Thankfully I am able to form my own thoughts and don't accept the liberal garbage or socialist programs. And thankfully I still have my guns in the US, yea call me a war monger, but the right to bear arms is the right to maintain freedom.