Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows

[KrazyHorse]

Oerdin, he's saying that BOTH hetero and homo couples would get civil unions. If they also wanted to "marry" in a church that's between them and whatever church they choose.

[Patroklos]

I can't quite figure out why Che thinks he is in a position to mock anyone on this site. It is very interesting to watch.

[Patroklos]

Separate but equal? I suppose you could call everything civil unions as you suggest but I believe the term marriage is to entrenched in society to change it now.

I think this would be the best way to go about it, as like it or not despite secular marriage it has far more entrenched religious overtones than some here want to believe.

However, the second you tell fundemetalists of any religion their marriage is not legal, I bet they will be far more pissed off about that than having homosexuals married. The simple answer is to just let gays get married and call it just that.

[Ming]

If some religions don't want to accept gay marriages... fine. That's their right I guess, and they don't have to perform them. But it isn't their right to cram their beliefs down the throats of others. Nobody is telling religions that they have to marry gay people, so religions shouldn't be telling other people that they can't get married.

Gays deserve the same rights as everybody else. It's that simple.

[Dinner]

Oerdin, he's saying that BOTH hetero and homo couples would get civil unions. If they also wanted to "marry" in a church that's between them and whatever church they choose.

Which would be why I said:

I suppose you could call everything civil unions as you suggest but I believe the term marriage is to entrenched in society to change it now.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Progress

[KrazyHorse]

Which would be why I said:

So in what sense is this "separate but equal"?

[onodera]

Well lets see.

Innovation by the west that historically has disastrous outcomes, or

Orthodox Christianity, which has survived now for 2000 years?

Yeah, I'm going to put my money on Orthodox Christianity there.

Don't touch Orthodox Christianity with your heretical Catholic fingers, Ben. Also, care to name any other Western innovations that had disastrous outcomes?

[Nugog]

Separate but equal? I suppose you could call everything civil unions as you suggest but I believe the term marriage is to entrenched in society to change it now.

NZ has civil unions.

While the law was passed to allow "gay marriage", last time I saw stats released more hetero couples had used it, as it provides the same legal protections/benefits of marriage, without the religious overtones.

[MrFun]

If some religions don't want to accept gay marriages... fine. That's their right I guess, and they don't have to perform them. But it isn't their right to cram their beliefs down the throats of others. Nobody is telling religions that they have to marry gay people, so religions shouldn't be telling other people that they can't get married.

Gays deserve the same rights as everybody else. It's that simple.

In fact, in the unanimous Iowa Supreme Court ruling earlier this month, the judges wrote exactly this - that extending equal rights protection to a vulnerable minority group will not deny others their freedom of religion.

This is where BK will bring back claims of how in Canada, churches are being forced to marry gay couples even though Asher and others have already refuted those lies ad nauseum.

[rah]

Justices of the peace and Ship captains have been performing marriages for centuries without any religious overtone at all, so Ben's comment that

The concept of marriage as a civil institution is very, very new. The concept of marriage as exclusively civil institution, isn't seen anywhere at all.

is just ludicrous.

[KrazyHorse]

That's true. My parents were married by a justice of the peace.

[MrFun]

I want to see BK try to wrap his mind around that, KH. Secular marriage? THE HORROR!!

[Arrian]

I was married by a justice of the peace.

I've long thought that the obvious solution here was to give everyone Civil Unions, and allow the religious folks keep the term "marriage" which would have no LEGAL meaning. Thus, my "marriage" would become a civil union. In order for it to be marriage, I'd have to go to a church, etc. Which I wouldn't, and I'd be fine with that.

But no matter. That's really just semantics.

-Arrian

[Asher]

I agree with Arrian.