How many of you liberals support the socialist wave?

[Bereta_Eder]

abiout sloww, we have a saying that goes: and the dead are excused (of their sins). sometimes you can say the "excused" and you mean the dead.

sloww has left this futile world and is as all who have and we when we leave, excused...


also maybe ceause PH is brit and has a closer idea of what american extremism looks like he can spot things? I doubt all of us can.

for example I can recognize a greek right winger with the same ease as a pimple on one's ass but to the average yankee he'dprobably sound like a sympathetic patriot.

so I can sympathize with PH and his insider way of discernign things that to us remain maybe a bit obscure.

but as I said, the excused are excused...
and for me sloow, only seemed extreme just in a couple of cases. very rarely. ire member him as a gentle fellow

[Bereta_Eder]

(p.s. greek is a very complex laanuage. the συγχωρεμένοι, can also be interepreted (besides the excused) ad the attoned, the pardoned, the space-to-fit/be accomodated-with-us" etc etc

p.s..... hmmmmmmm comign to think abiout it, this has deeper religious connotations.

in order for one to be excused/attoned he must have sinned.
so all who have lived, have sinned.


it is a phrase then of self -crushing (of the ego/pride)

I really love the meaning of words

[Lorizael]

I said quite a few rude things to Sloww over the years, but I won't speak ill of him here, in this place, where those who cared about him might still grieve and mourn. Words are for the living.

[Bereta_Eder]

he always seemed polite to me and a gentle soul.
we never really debated politics because it was very obvious we were from different worlds (pun intented) we talked about music though and other stuff. I really liked him. Can't say much about his politics because it never came up (or I never realized)

[Provost Harrison]

Perhaps I'm just tired of old c**ts ruining the world...

[Geronimo]

are you insane?
socialism is what divides societies between jungles and a good place

when I am talking about "socialism" I'm not talking about the lowest common denominator of "socialized" law enforcement, military, regulatory bodies or even education and medicine (well medicine probably *should* be part of the lowest common denominator), I'm referring to economies and systems based on government dominance of all levels of the market which I think has been a recipe for mediocrity at best and more typically for failure. The societies that just socialized those lowest common denominators are really just socializing areas in which the market is very simple, and capitalism doesn't enjoy an advantage so long as government maintains some level of meritocracy in the employment in those areas.

[Bereta_Eder]

the neoliberalist model has been debunked. and the dogmatic and ideological dominance of the capitalist model has been debunkt too.

The state CAN run things better and some things SHOULD be run by the state.

Of course total dominance and micromanaging of the economy by the state is detrimental but so is its absence to a very many areas that are very important to society (health being one but there are many others. )

Don't forget that USA the avant gaurd of neoliberalism had to eat its words and scurry its tail behind its legs and impose state protectionism in front of china beating her at its own game

in short capitalism is flawed there is no invisible hand and the state needs to be involved in many things. from health to trains and beyond.

also elections should be held on sunday when the working man doesn't work. the first step to socialism

[Aeson]

There is not one socialist in the US congress or senate, and no socialist candidates with any chance to win.

As a leftist libertarian I'm happy to see a more progressive faction gain a small foothold in the Democrat party.

[The Mad Monk]

Holding elections on Sunday favors mainstream Christians at the expense of Jews, Muslims, and Seventh-Day Adventists. Probably Hindus, Buddhists, and Zoarastrians too. It's an issue with all well-meaning blue laws.

[Provost Harrison]

when I am talking about "socialism" I'm not talking about the lowest common denominator of "socialized" law enforcement, military, regulatory bodies or even education and medicine (well medicine probably *should* be part of the lowest common denominator), I'm referring to economies and systems based on government dominance of all levels of the market which I think has been a recipe for mediocrity at best and more typically for failure. The societies that just socialized those lowest common denominators are really just socializing areas in which the market is very simple, and capitalism doesn't enjoy an advantage so long as government maintains some level of meritocracy in the employment in those areas.

This is very idealistic and, quite frankly, simplistic. Capitalism without intervention has severe issues that result to a cascading failure - accumulation of wealth in the hands of few, generational wealth and as we can see, if a few are allowed to get so wealthy without bounds they start to distort the system around them to their own ends.

This interpretation is just insufficient to define the complexity involved here. Also it is quite interesting to see some newer post neo-liberal theories such as MMT on how to make a modern economy functional. Makes for some interesting reading.

[Provost Harrison]

the neoliberalist model has been debunked. and the dogmatic and ideological dominance of the capitalist model has been debunkt too.

The state CAN run things better and some things SHOULD be run by the state.

Of course total dominance and micromanaging of the economy by the state is detrimental but so is its absence to a very many areas that are very important to society (health being one but there are many others. )

Don't forget that USA the avant gaurd of neoliberalism had to eat its words and scurry its tail behind its legs and impose state protectionism in front of china beating her at its own game

in short capitalism is flawed there is no invisible hand and the state needs to be involved in many things. from health to trains and beyond.

also elections should be held on sunday when the working man doesn't work. the first step to socialism

I think Geronimo gets lost in some very strange, convoluted ideology without keeping an eye on reality - that a completely idealistic approach to how society is run - from either end - is not going to work.

[Geronimo]

My ideology is dirt simple. Popular rule by the masses for the masses with basic law guaranteeing the rights of all against tyranny of the majority. the complexity is in the economics, and I'm not married to any model or ideology in economics. I am, however, extremely skeptical of simple economic models and especially of ideologies that try to hook themselves upon them.

[ricketyclik]

Bring it on I say.

I'm a form of socialist*, but I recognize that market forces are the most efficient at allocating resources to meet demand. I reckon there ought to be a government supplied option for all essential services, with the private sector allowed to compete if it wishes.

In Australia all of our essential services were established and provided by government, but since the 1980's they've been either privatised or outsourced, in the belief that the market is more efficient and competitive.

Unfortunately the businesses that have stepped in operate in cartel like fashion, and we are generally paying more for less.

Maintaining government provision at cost would at least keep the private sector honest, and if the market maxims are true, then they should be able to make a profit competing.

*From each according to their ability, to each according to their need (while allowing profit motive to generate innovation). The most good for the most people.

[Uncle Sparky]

As a socialist I think what you have in the states is a joke. You've moved from a corrupt capitalist system (Reagan) to a cultish kleptocracy (Trump). Any nudge towards centralism would be a huge improvement. Hopefully you'll be able to make the transition back without a revolution, but the current administration has shown it has no interest in following laws... you probably need a real purge. If you start at the top, you may be able to fix things with a few dozen heads on pikes.

[Provost Harrison]

My ideology is dirt simple. Popular rule by the masses for the masses with basic law guaranteeing the rights of all against tyranny of the majority. the complexity is in the economics, and I'm not married to any model or ideology in economics. I am, however, extremely skeptical of simple economic models and especially of ideologies that try to hook themselves upon them.

Yet you spat out some incredibly simplistic clichés that don't really make any sense where prejudices inherent to US indoctrination just shine through - even without any real experience of them.