Embargo

[Dauphin]

Aeson...placing tariffs on a countries goods and services can be many things but calling it an "attack" in the context of this conversation is absurd.

If tariffs on Canada are considered a part of an attempt at annexation, would it be an attack in your view.

Consider the context of Trump's rhetoric of calling Canada the 51st state, calling the PM a governor, his declared interest in absorbing Canada by economic force, and according to current reporting his view that the current border treaties are invalid and wants to revise the boundary.

[Geronimo]

If tariffs on Canada are considered a part of an attempt at annexation, would it be an attack in your view.

Consider the context of Trump's rhetoric of calling Canada the 51st state, calling the PM a governor, his declared interest in absorbing Canada by economic force, and according to current reporting his view that the current border treaties are invalid and wants to revise the boundary.

I don't believe he wants to annex anything in Canada and has no leverage to do so. That said I'm shocked and appalled by the annexation rhetoric. Maybe it's him trying to scare Canadians into quick responses to his pet issues? He's an imbecile for that. Canadians could address he fentanyl and trade imbalance issues far more effectively with time and firm but respectful diplomacy. Now? why would anyone north of the border want to help him get anything he wants? the rhetoric may well be doing far more to the relationship than even these grossly short noticed large tariff changes.

[Dauphin]

Whether you believe it's the intent or not, you have to consider the stated intent as being believable enough to be a possible true intent unless you have grounds to dismiss it. I see no grounds to dismiss Trump wants Canadian land and resources.

No way Trump cares so much about a net 10kg of fentanyl coming in across the Canadian border each year that he wants 25% tariffs across the board. To suggest he does loses anyone credibility.

Why Canada hasn't countered with complaints about US guns smuggled into Canada I don't know. Almost all illegal firearms in Canada come from the US. Absolute volume in the 100s.

[Dauphin]

US trade deficit with Canada is 0.2% of total US GDP, so I don't think he really cares about that either. It's at least believable, but ultimately I would argue bull****.

[Geronimo]

I may have to go back and watch or read some more Trump sound bites or even entire speeches. The chore becomes more onerous seemingly every day.

[Geronimo]

could anyone help me find his territorial claims on non us territories? I'm aware of his offers to "buy" Greenland and his 51st state trolling of Canadians but it certainly sounds like there's worse out there than that.

[BlackCat]

could anyone help me find his territorial claims on non us territories? I'm aware of his offers to "buy" Greenland and his 51st state trolling of Canadians but it certainly sounds like there's worse out there than that.

Why should we waste our time on something you easily could find out yourself ?

[Geronimo]

Why should we waste our time on something you easily could find out yourself ?

if it's a waste of time I'll quit for now. could just be bad signal to noise with these searches.

[Aeson]

Aeson...placing tariffs on a countries goods and services can be many things but calling it an "attack" in the context of this conversation is absurd. These tariffs violate treaties associated with the WTO and also the "USMCA" agreement that Trump was so proud of replacing NAFTA with. I don't even know if he's making an effort, let alone a serious effort to invoke the national security exceptions in defense at this point.

These are stupid moves. These are moves that harm US allies substantially more than they could help the US even if the allies didn't react to them at all, especially on these short notice time frames. That does not equate to Putin annexing parts of neighboring countries or even the unauthorized by treaties military interventions that the US has made for decades. Don't call these own goals "attacks". These tariffs are an attack in the same way Brexit could be construed as an "attack" on the EU with the caveat that I strongly suspect these tariffs break more treaties.

Maybe instead of a shot in the foot this will be more of a shotgun blast to the face, the US's face that is. A shot fired by Trump.

He is attacking them. Tariffs are just a part of the concerted effort. Calling names, disparaging, threatening. Spreading lies about them. Sicking his psychophants on them. He's even mentioned military action in Mexico.

It's an attack. Learn English.

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[Aeson]

could anyone help me find his territorial claims on non us territories? I'm aware of his offers to "buy" Greenland and his 51st state trolling of Canadians but it certainly sounds like there's worse out there than that.

In the state of the Union he said, "We are going to get Greenland one way or the other."

[Provost Harrison]

In the state of the Union he said, "We are going to get Greenland one way or the other."

Just like Blondie, although I don't think they were talking about Greenland

[Dauphin]

Damn you. Now I have visions of Trump trying to call Putin with 'Hanging on the telephone' playing.

[Provost Harrison]

Damn you. Now I have visions of Trump trying to call Putin with 'Hanging on the telephone' playing.

Let's hope the Russians don't do anything "Atomic" ;-)

[giblets]

In the state of the Union he said, "We are going to get Greenland one way or the other."

Imagine Xi Jinping saying that about Hawaii

[Aeson]

Xi is too smart and diplomatic to do something so stupid.

[Aeson]

Now we're sending more soldiers to Panama and Greenland. But don't worry, we will only consider invasion if they don't agree to our demands. I'm sure they will be reasonable demands