The final betrayal of Ukraine by the people of the United States of America

[Provost Harrison]

at the moment I'm stressing most about intel. Is Trump still sharing intel with ukraine? can ukraine trust the intel? is Trump sharing intel with Putin?

Possibly. I hope we cut off sharing some time ago knowing this ****er is cooperating with Russia.

Now, how's about a military coup?

[Geronimo]

Possibly. I hope we cut off sharing some time ago knowing this ****er is cooperating with Russia.

Now, how's about a military coup?

In all seriousness I think the time is not yet ripe for a military coup. It needs to be much more likely to succeed. No, I think Elok had it right. The time is right for impeachment and its success will be dramatically higher if it's Republicans spearheading it rather than Dems. My understanding is that the vice president can be impeached first.

We'll also need brave whistle blowers to document specific orders to commit treasonous acts to help grease the skids.

[Bereta_Eder]

at the moment I'm stressing most about intel. Is Trump still sharing intel with ukraine? can ukraine trust the intel? is Trump sharing intel with Putin?

the news is that trump stopped military aid to ukraine beacuse zelensky told him he has a small dick but that trump is still gracious enough to still share intel


It doesn't really matter

the world sees the US as a dictatorship enabler

[N35t0r]

In all seriousness I think the time is not yet ripe for a military coup. It needs to be much more likely to succeed. No, I think Elok had it right. The time is right for impeachment and its success will be dramatically higher if it's Republicans spearheading it rather than Dems. My understanding is that the vice president can be impeached first.

We'll also need brave whistle blowers to document specific orders to commit treasonous acts to help grease the skids.

Yeah, fat chance with that. Republicans have been cultivating a culture of party above all and victory at any cost for too long to turn around now.

[Jon Miller]

Military coups are last resort. I hope we aren't there yet, and can still have a meaningful election in 2026. We will see. Musk is moving fast and breaking things.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Yeah, fat chance with that. Republicans have been cultivating a culture of party above all and victory at any cost for too long to turn around now.

If Trump and Musk break enough of the 'wrong' stuff too quickly, and Trump's popularity drops to 30% or less and elections are still meaningful, I could see a split of the Republican party still.

The enablers, like Rubio, should still go. But if Trump's popularity was 30% and there were meaningful elections they would turn against Trump.

JM

[Jon Miller]

It may be that the 40% is a hard floor of the normal electorate. But the normal electorate is only like 70% of the national electorate. So I could see Trump dropping to 30%.

JM

[N35t0r]

If Trump and Musk break enough of the 'wrong' stuff too quickly, and Trump's popularity drops to 30% or less and elections are still meaningful, I could see a split of the Republican party still.

The enablers, like Rubio, should still go. But if Trump's popularity was 30% and there were meaningful elections they would turn against Trump.

JM

Yeah, they'll drop him and be all never trumpers the second he's not useful anymore, I agree.

[Dauphin]

Isn't the problem that he can damage them if they step out of line with him, not that he is particularly useful to them. Even at 30% its enough to cause headaches in primaries, etc.

[Jon Miller]

That is true, but 30% is also losing. They need 40% really to have a chance to not lose.

JM

[Geronimo]

Additionally, the Dems need to work on tweaking their platform to stay centered on a plurality of the electorate. If they can create a "blue wave" in 2026 that could be essential to limiting damage and more plausible than a successful impeachment or a successful coup.

[Jon Miller]

Currently, a "blue wave" in 2026 is still the best result to work for.

I also am worried about the future of meaningful elections, which would require more.

JM

[Berzerker]

If peace is a betrayal does that mean war was the goal?

[-Jrabbit]

Sophist bullsh1t.

[N35t0r]

If peace is a betrayal does that mean war was the goal?

You tell me, would the UK signing peace with Nazi Germany after France fell be a betrayal to France (and Poland)? And if so, would that mean that war was the goal when Britain fought on and endured the Blitz?

To be less hypothetical, because you sometimes have problems with complex thought:
Russia can, at any time, retreat back to Russian territory, withdraw all their forces from Ukraine, and there will be peace. That they don't do this means they don't want peace, they want Ukraine to surrender.
Not wanting to surrender does not mean you don't want peace.

[BeBMan]

Putin could have made peace at any point during the last years, so Berz is the usual douche again. At least he didn't post fake T-shirt pics this time, but never say never.