The final betrayal of Ukraine by the people of the United States of America

[N35t0r]

The reason you want to pretend the US under trump is worse is because the US under Trump surprised you.

I seen to recall several people, in this very forum, telling those of us who were watching against Trump that we were overreacting, that it was all bluster to get votes, didn't we have 4 years of him already and "nothing particularly bad happened"?

That Trump said he didn't know what project 2025 was, so he wasn't going to implement any of it (so I guess that fulfilling 1/3 of the points mentioned in it in less than a month and a half is a coincidence)

[Geronimo]

I seen to recall several people, in this very forum, telling those of us who were watching against Trump that we were overreacting, that it was all bluster to get votes, didn't we have 4 years of him already and "nothing particularly bad happened"?

That Trump said he didn't know what project 2025 was, so he wasn't going to implement any of it (so I guess that fulfilling 1/3 of the points mentioned in it in less than a month and a half is a coincidence)

I seem to recall several people in this very forum being very poor at reading other's posts.

I objected to the pressing of charges against candidate Trump especially the New York case. I argued it would probably only help him politically.

I asserted he would be a lousy president but that no way in hell would he be a genocidal fascist. I still will be surprised if he engages in any kind of genocide, including the suggestion for ethnic cleansing (which would be a kind of genocide by any reasonably definition) in his noxious public suggestion to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Or a deportation campaign aiming for racial changes rather than deportation intended to pander to low income low skilled citizens of all ethnic groups and protected classes.

I *do* have a history of acknowledging when I am shown to be wrong. For these assertions that time is in no way ripe.

The magnitude of Trump's fascist crimes to date is essentially zero.

With respect to project 2025 I very clearly said that it didn't matter because Trump is the kind of narcissist who has no principles and little to no respect for people who disagree with him or for whom continuing to agree with ends up at odds with his whim. Project 2025 will not reveal Trump's goals and might not even reveal his methods.

I seem to recall a lot of people in this forum claiming project 2025 was a white supremacist Christian handbook to genocide so I didn't read it because I remember quite clearly regretting trying to read mein kampf and even regretting finishing it. I've started reading the publicly available Project 2025 materials now mainly thanks to Elok's assertion and as I do so it's getting increasingly hard to feel like I have a lot of crow to eat here.

I voted for Harris purely to oppose Trump. I opposed lies and exaggerations about trump purely to oppose Trump. what exactly is your problem with my posts here?

[Geronimo]

When I say Trump "surprised you" I mean the kind of surprise of an unannounced ambush not the kind of surprise where it didn't make sense in hindsight given the history and character of the ambusher.