American Election

[Bereta_Eder]

Democrats were completely appauling but so is baby hitler.

Unfettered capitalism can't feed its own and here are the results.

[N35t0r]

He was so racist he won among Hispanics and Native Americans and did better among black people than any other Republican of this century (IIRC). Imagine that. I think he won other groups too but that's just going off memory and I can't be arsed to look up the results again.

Hispanics are a notably misogynistic population.

[Elok]

Well, as long as you have some way to shoehorn reality into a manichaean good-and-evil narrative ... IIRC he narrowly won white women, which shows white women are racist I'm sure. How about the Native Americans? Do they hate chicks too?

[Lorizael]

I don't really care if the people who voted for Trump are racist or not. They voted for a guy who spouted racist rhetoric, courted racists, and is planning to do great harm to minorities. Is voting for that somehow morally worse if you're also a racist?

[EPW]

It seems like the only way someone who isn't a Q-Anon maniac(My Wife Hates CIV) or isn't an unrepentant racist(Dinner) can justify their vote for Trump is to pretend Trump doesn't mean what he says AND forgive his past (& present) actions AND ignore his current circle of lunatic advisors all the while holding Democrats to an impossible standard.

[Jon Miller]

There are a surprising number of minorities who say something about 'both sides' or 'needing change' or 'needing to shake things up'.

We have seen Trump and his failures, we see his advisors. I think they blame Biden for the inflation, which isn't reasonable, but is the main driver.

JM

[N35t0r]

Well, as long as you have some way to shoehorn reality into a manichaean good-and-evil narrative ... IIRC he narrowly won white women, which shows white women are racist I'm sure. How about the Native Americans? Do they hate chicks too?

What? You realize I come from Argentina, right? Even now in Germany, a large part of my friendship circle is fellow latinamericans (mostly Mexicans and Colombians).

I'm also not saying that all latins who voted for Trump must have done so only because of misoginia (what's that about casting stuff into a black-and-white narrative?), but the fact that the latin community (especially latin men) had among the greatest difference between 2020 and 2024? It'd be stupid to assume that it had nothing to do with it.

[Dinner]

It seems like the only way someone who isn't a Q-Anon maniac(My Wife Hates CIV) or isn't an unrepentant racist(Dinner) can justify their vote for Trump is to pretend Trump doesn't mean what he says AND forgive his past (& present) actions AND ignore his current circle of lunatic advisors all the while holding Democrats to an impossible standard.

Yawn, you remain both a liar and a clown.

[Dinner]

Well, as long as you have some way to shoehorn reality into a manichaean good-and-evil narrative ... IIRC he narrowly won white women, which shows white women are racist I'm sure. How about the Native Americans? Do they hate chicks too?

I noticed the clowns on the view were busy claiming the only reason a 98.7% Hispanic district in Texas (which voted red for the first time since the 1880's) was because of so called sexism. That, of course, completely ignores how in 2016 the same district voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton.

The reality is the people were upset about open borders, the crime and expense that caused, as well as the accumulated cost of inflation. Dems can keep ignoring that reality and continue to lie and slander those people but as the recent election has shown that decision will have consequences.

[Dinner]

Victor David Hanson remains a voice of reason grounded in facts.

https://youtu.be/AheBb-MOxy0?si=79_p2qN8Mu_MbnWP

[giblets]

We had open borders when Trump was president. Yeah, he deported people, but so did his predecessor and successor. As long as someone gets in illegally, the border is open.

[Lorizael]

The reality is the people were upset about open borders, the crime and expense that caused, as well as the accumulated cost of inflation. Dems can keep ignoring that reality and continue to lie and slander those people but as the recent election has shown that decision will have consequences.

Border crossings are down. Crime is down. Inflation is down.

[Dauphin]

But fear of those things is up. So you lose.

[Lorizael]

We all lose. I will almost certainly be fine.

[Elok]

What? You realize I come from Argentina, right? Even now in Germany, a large part of my friendship circle is fellow latinamericans (mostly Mexicans and Colombians).

I'm also not saying that all latins who voted for Trump must have done so only because of misoginia (what's that about casting stuff into a black-and-white narrative?), but the fact that the latin community (especially latin men) had among the greatest difference between 2020 and 2024? It'd be stupid to assume that it had nothing to do with it.

I'll be bailing on the internet after tonight (Advent), but I mean that this "racist, sexist, misogynist" schtick is just Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" fast-forwarded eight years with no sign of lessons learned. Trump won by a fair margin this year, even in the popular vote; the EV disparity was downright brutal. To gesture at this with "man, things-beyond-the-moral-pale sure must be popular" just smells (to me) like a lame attempt to salvage pride by saying it's the electorate's fault your side got its ass kicked. No, I don't mean that you're saying Hispanics are the devil, only that it sounds like you're hunting for any and all justification for the racistsexistetc. theory.

(I don't even know what you're trying to imply by the 20-24 difference. The Dobbs thing? Abortion was easily Trump's weakest issue, and even here in FL, we barely beat back a pro-choice amendment with "only" 57% in favor out of a required 60% threshold. Elsewhere abortion rights mostly advanced, as they have been doing pretty much everywhere the issue's come up since Dobbs landed.)

EDIT: Yes, Trump himself was not "beyond the pale," evidently, but his approval rating, as far as anyone can tell, remains quite low! Even after a substantial bump from the assassination attempt, his approval rating seems to have been in the low forties on election day (per 538, though I seem to recall Nate Silver citing a number in the thirties even after July?). It seems likely that a fair percentage of Trump voters actively disliked the man but voted for him anyway. I think something like a quarter of the US consistently said it hated both candidates. I suspect people voted for Trump for a wide variety of reasons. Anyway. Bye.