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  • #61
    Inflation is down ... but everything still costs a lot more than it used to, and we can all remember the Biden presidency as an extended period of "oh god, the price has gone up again." Also, most of the long, miserable slog of Covid was under Biden. Covid isn't really Biden's fault, but most politically unaffiliated Americans, comparing life under Biden to life under Trump, are going to think of 16-20 as better times. Everybody's gotten used to this weird world where a politician can act like a grade school bully, so that disadvantage is attenuated, and without counting that, the Trump years were mostly this extended period of dumb congressional slapfights that got nowhere (not if you were an illegal immigrant! But they don't vote). You are correct that this is a heavy disadvantage.

    Trump's big liability, abortion, is not that big when he can say, "yeah, I'm not going to push that any harder," and it's easy to believe him because nobody thinks he's sincerely pro-life (or sincerely anything else). Kamala's big liability, immigration, is ... something she was explicitly associated with by the Biden administration, though it's not clear to me whether she did anything substantial? Wasn't paying attention because I don't much care about immigration. Nobody's hiring illiterate Guatemalans to run ventilators and paying them under the table.

    With all that said, my point is that there were still some serious unforced D errors here, and as a libertarian who has never voted for Trump or any of his three D opponents, I find it intensely aggravating to deal with all the sour grapes I'm hearing from Democrats here and elsewhere. Of course any number of things could have changed the outcome, but if your reaction to defeat is "it's the electorate's fault for being racist sexist fascist etc.," you deserve this kind of ass-beating, because you're refusing to learn from your mistakes. That's the hypothetical "you," obviously, but seriously, I heard this same crap when Hillary lost, and that was eight years ago. Trump has had an abysmal approval rating since he set foot in the WH. If you lost to him in a reasonably fair contest (electoral college is a disadvantage, but Trump won the popular vote this time!), somebody done ****ed up.
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    • #62
      Well, whoever voted for trump expecting prices to go back down is in for a shock.
      Indifference is Bliss

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      • #63
        On actually going through recent posts here again ... I can't find an instance of people here bemoaning racistsexistetc, except Moby who just gets hard that way and isn't even American. Some talk about how the fascists are going to take over, which is still silly, but not the sour grapes. So ...

        (accusation against Democratic party and Blue America in general stands)
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        • #64
          I find the significance of Democrats' unforced errors (which vary dramatically based on the predispositions of who you talk to: were they too woke? too soft on immigration? too friendly with Israel? too focused on getting never-Trump Republicans? etc.) to be largely irrelevant next to the problem of a Republican party that knowingly abandons its principles and debases itself before a narcissistic criminal demagogue with no respect for the Constitution or the rule of law who attempted an insurrection and, yes, deliberately courts and seeks to empower vocal, xenophobic white supremacists and misogynists.
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          • #65
            My biggest gripes against Trump winning are Ukraine and climate change, so it's more of a gripe against Republicans in general. Then again, I don't live in the US, so I'm more insulated against most of the other crap that will be up.
            Indifference is Bliss

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            • #66
              Um, <snip>
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #67
                Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                Then butt out.
                **** you too.
                Indifference is Bliss

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                • #68
                  95% of post-election analyses can be summarized as "the loser lost because they didn't agree with ME enough"

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                  • #69
                    I'd like to know how Trump voters determined what exactly of his stuff is "just bluster", and what he was/is serious about.

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                    • #70
                      I am somewhat amused by the idea that it was the Democrats’ policies that caused their defeat. Just which Republican policies were more appealing to the voters? Just which Republican policies were more coherent and better explained? Just which Republican policies are going to make working class people better off? Why do we hold Democrats to different standards than we do Republicans? Why are we afraid to say what is staring us in the face? It was sexism, racism, cruelty and authoritarianism all along. Why do we want to call that a policy difference?
                      There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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                      • #71
                        He was so racist he won among Hispanics and Native Americans and did better among black people than any other Republican of this century (IIRC). Imagine that. I think he won other groups too but that's just going off memory and I can't be arsed to look up the results again.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Uncle Sparky View Post
                          I am somewhat amused by the idea that it was the Democrats’ policies that caused their defeat. Just which Republican policies were more appealing to the voters? Just which Republican policies were more coherent and better explained? Just which Republican policies are going to make working class people better off? Why do we hold Democrats to different standards than we do Republicans? Why are we afraid to say what is staring us in the face? It was sexism, racism, cruelty and authoritarianism all along. Why do we want to call that a policy difference?
                          People vote for selfish reasons.

                          I don't think racists and sexists care about the race or sex of the candidate. Non-white female Tory party members in the UK have some of the most vitriolic anti-immigration positions, and one of them now leads the party.

                          I don't think racism is what gets people to buy-in to Trumps anti-immigration policy, but it helps. It's the promise and the wedge. The hope that your life will be better, and the wedge of just don't think about the other schmucks who are evilTM. Fair enough, in this case the other people who will lose are minorities, but the principle exists in other forms. Be it, voting for the candidate who will tax the rich to fund your healthcare / education, the urban vs rural candidate, the church vs state candidate, the renter vs landlord candidate, Mr Clean vs Mr Corrupt, etc. Everyone pretty much votes for who is best for them or what they want (which may even be altruistic!)
                          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                          • #73
                            As America grapples with Trump’s impending second presidential term, folks in red states are wondering if they can change their vote at either the local, state or federal level.

                            Google Trends saw a dramatic increase in searches for “How to change my vote” as early as the morning of Election Day before the polls were closed, according to Virginia news outlet WAVY.

                            Google Trends also reveals that from Nov. 4-11, the searches peaked on Election Day, Nov. 5, at 7 a.m. and gradually decreased throughout the day. On Nov. 6, Trump was announced the winner. Other state and local leaders were also announced that day.

                            Iowa, which went red, was the state that had the highest amount of people looking into changing their votes. This occurred mostly in the areas of Des Moines-Ames, Cedar Rapids-Waterlook-Iowa City and Dubuque.

                            Interestingly enough, the highest number of searches took place on Monday (Nov. 11) at 5 a.m., less than a week after Election Day. Other states with the same high search interest include Kansas, Idaho, Nebraska and Alabama — all states that Trump secured.
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                            • #74
                              They just need to wait couple years...Srsly, given how the tides roll in politics many of those who moaned about Biden may start to moan about Trump sooner or later again.

                              Trump's 1st term basically brought Biden into office, so maybe Joe is in a good position for '28

                              The only question is how institutions look by then...
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                              • #75
                                Don't worry, the Trump administration will make sure they don't cheat by voting for the wrong candidate.

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