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  • #61
    Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View Post


    you have carpet bombed them you fck

    your pararel universe is so warped you dont even realize that
    My "parallel universe" is called reality, CS!

    anyway

    you bore me mongol

    Nazi!

    GFYSLF!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Serb View Post


      Don't you really not understand how?

      Vecause that was 25 years ago!
      You have fabrikateds the Rachak incident and started to slaughter entire country without any legitimate reason!
      You, once again - YOU have oppened this Pandora's box by destroying all the international law we had since the end of WW2!

      YOU AND ONLY YOU!

      NOBODY ELSE!!!



      Who cares about their grid?
      You have started both of these wars, not us!
      We are just intend to finish what you have started in 2014!
      The truth is on our side!
      The victory will be ours!​



      NATO started both wars?

      NATO definitely took sides in an existing conflict and definitely violated Serbia's sovereignty in doing so. that doesn't really count as "starting the war".

      Nothing NATO has done covertly or overtly could be described as "starting" the war in Ukraine however. toppling Viktor Yanukovych (even if we accept that somehow NATO accomplished this rather than Ukrainians) did not start a war. Russia started the war. all of it. Russia tried to start the war in Crimea but the Ukrainian government was waay too divided and unsure of itself to order any of them to try to hold their ground before all of the bases were lost. This was totally and unambiguously an act of war on Russia's part. This was precisely the kind of the thing the UN was founded to avert. Next Russia was caught sending huge amounts of military material and "volunteers" into the Donbass. This was also an unambiguous act of war. Eventually Russia sent a whole nationwide combined arms official invasion into Ukraine to occupy as much territory as they could reach and organize "referendums" to annex them formally into Russia there is no room in these events to try to say NATO started a war in Ukraine. not once, but hundreds of times Russia waged war on Ukraine for well over a decade grabbing land all along the way. NATO has not engaged in a single act of war against Ukraine. not one. even if we accept the absurd claim that the "coup" in Kiev was managed and directed by NATO state governments that would have fallen under espionage not warfare. Warfare started when Russia decided to wage war in Crimea and the Donbass against the national government of those areas. No Russia, no land grabs and no separatist movements at least not the ones that actually appeared, led by known Russian state agents.

      If Russia didn't start the war in Ukraine then I guess no state has ever started a war, I don't know how much more clear cut and dried it could be.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Geronimo View Post

        NATO started both wars?
        Yes!

        NATO definitely took sides in an existing conflict and definitely violated Serbia's sovereignty in doing so. that doesn't really count as "starting the war".
        Oh really? Planting an incident where supposed to be 43 male civilian Albanians were slaughtered by Serbs in Rachak was not an excuse to start the war in your Universe?

        Later the commision from neutral (back then) Finland have came to conclussion in their investigation, that all those 43 were killed in a gunfight (the traces of gunpowders on their hands were esily trackable) and thern later dressed into civilian clothes, which had no bulletholes or blood signs on them.

        You have fking faked this incident to start your bombardments!
        PERIOD!

        Nothing NATO has done covertly or overtly could be described as "starting" the war in Ukraine however.
        Oh, really?
        How a coup istignated and supported by the West and sending the troops of your puppet to suppress the people, whom had revolved for their constitutional rights against the coup of Nazi mfkers is not an act of war?

        toppling Viktor Yanukovych (even if we accept that somehow NATO accomplished this rather than Ukrainians) did not start a war.
        Are you nuts?
        The first thing the new "government" of Ukraine did was the law to ban Russian langauge. After that Crimea and Donbass have revolved. Because your Maidan puppet dogs have spit on their constitutional rights! They have spit on their election choice and owerthrew the president they have elected!
        Then the new authorities have send troops to Donbass and started the so-called Anti-Terror Operation, which is pretty cynical, because the people of Donbass, unlike their Ukranian counterparts have never committed a single terror attack against Ukraine, while everything Ukraine was doing 24/7 was a terror attacks!


        Russia started the war.
        No!
        Whe have tried to resolve it peacefully at Minsk!
        You have lied to us!

        all of it.
        No! It's you who have started this war with your coup at our backyard in 2014!

        Russia tried to start the war in Crimea but the Ukrainian government was waay too divided and unsure of itself to order any of them to try to hold their ground before all of the bases were lost. This was totally and unambiguously an act of war on Russia's part.
        None was killed during the unifaction Crimea with Russia in 2014.
        96% of the local population have voted to join Russia.
        Do you honestly believe that all of those people were voting with a gun pointed at their head?
        REALLY?!!!
        Are you that brainwashed, really?
        The people of Crimea have made their choice and get back to their Motherland.
        Just live with that!

        This was precisely the kind of the thing the UN was founded to avert.
        Bullsh!t!
        The UN charter gives people a right for self-determination!
        This is excactly what Donetsk People Republic and Lughansak People Republic have done!
        They have declared independece from Ukraine, then Russia has recognized them as an independednt states, signed a military alliance with them and entered the war on their side at February 22, 2022!
        Everything is very clear and in accordance with the UN charter, unlike your agression vs. Yuogoslavia.

        Next Russia was caught sending huge amounts of military material and "volunteers" into the Donbass.
        When "then"? And who caught us exactly? And where?
        We did help the people of Donbass, but again:
        WHAT IS THE CAUSE AND WHAT IS CONSEQUENCE?
        Donbass has uprised AFTER YOUR COUP in Kiev, not vise versa!

        This was also an unambiguous act of war.
        BS!
        You were feeding your pet Ukranian mad dog since the fall of the USSR in 1991!
        You were creating this anti-Russian regime, you have grown a whole generations of Nazis saluting to Bandera!

        THIS IS AN ACT OF WAR!!!

        You were growing and growing this battle hamster of yours year after year for decades!


        Eventually Russia sent a whole nationwide combined arms official invasion into Ukraine to occupy as much territory as they could reach and organize "referendums" to annex them formally into Russia there is no room in these events to try to say NATO started a war in Ukraine. not once, but hundreds of times Russia waged war on Ukraine for well over a decade grabbing land all along the way. NATO has not engaged in a single act of war against Ukraine.
        See above! We did so only AFTER 8 YEARS OF YOUR WESTERN LIES your constant lies and pumping-up of your Ukrainian puppet with weapons and training!
        We wanted to resolve the crisis pecfully and signed a peacy treaty at Minsk, when Ukranians WERE BEGGING FOR MERCY, being the pokets on a brink of total extermination.
        Had Putin wanted a land grab he so then in 2015, when Ukranian army was basically non-existant and on the brink of total collapse.

        not one. even if we accept the absurd claim that the "coup" in Kiev was managed and directed by NATO state governments
        And by whom do you think this another "colorful revolution" have been organized?
        BY MARTIANS?!!!

        Are you in aware that Yanukovich have signed a peace treaty with the opposition, which was signed by misters of foreign affairs of Poland, France and Germany, who had promised to be the guarantors of this treaty?

        In accordance with this treaty, Yanukovich gave-up all of his power and a new presidential elections should be held withinn the six months.
        A part of the deal was that opposition will stop their protests and leave all the occupied government buildings (hello, "Trump's crusade" against White house), while Yanukovich will remove all police forces from Kiev and call and amnesty for protestors.
        He did his part of the deal, but the next day after he removed police forces from the capital, protestors have captured all the main government buildings and tried to kill him.

        And minsters of internal affairs of France, Germany and Poland, who have signed the traty and were the gurantors of it, just spit on it, like nothing happened!!!
        WHO THE F WILL EVER SIGN A SINGLE TREATY WITH YOU AFTER TRHAT, LIARS?!!!

        So, you better tell your bullsh!t to your granma!

        that would have fallen under espionage not warfare. Warfare started when Russia decided to wage war in Crimea and the Donbass against the national government of those areas. No Russia, no land grabs and no separatist movements at least not the ones that actually appeared, led by known Russian state agents.
        Once again! Check your facts!
        There was no combat in Crimea! None was killed!
        The combat in Donbass have started when a new authorities of Ukraine, the Kiev's junt have sent their army to Donbass!
        Not the other way around!

        If Russia didn't start the war in Ukraine then I guess no state has ever started a war, I don't know how much more clear cut and dried it could be.
        You are lol Ger!
        Have you honestly thought that you can overthrew a legitimate president, install your puppet government over there, made a NATO naval base in Crimea, in Sevastopol - the city founded by Russians (back then in 19th century you have called it a Potemkin's village), the city of glory of the Russian navy, the city for WHOM MY GRANDFATHER HAS SHED HIS BLOOD IN 1944 adn was decorated with his second medal of courage, that you can later make Ukraine a part of NATO with your missiles pointing to us with a minutes flight time?

        Just what kinds of idiots are you?

        Of course we have reacted to your agression!

        WE HAD NO CHOICE, BUT TO RETHALIATE!!!

        And now you suck!
        Your whole Western coalition of 50+ countries!

        Because we are the GODS OF WAR and you are NOTHING, as you always havew been!​

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        • #64
          Haven't read a sinlge line of your sh!t infestted putin ass fascist propaganda


          suffice to say Serbs love us even more than before even iof we are NATO and that is because we acted in the peoples' genuine interest. Go ask any serb, who are their brothers they will say the greeks. That is because of all we did.
          Some misguided will also say the russians.

          Hopefully that will diminish but the west has also to play a role to that

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Serb View Post

            Yes!



            Oh really? Planting an incident where supposed to be 43 male civilian Albanians were slaughtered by Serbs in Rachak was not an excuse to start the war in your Universe?

            Later the commision from neutral (back then) Finland have came to conclussion in their investigation, that all those 43 were killed in a gunfight (the traces of gunpowders on their hands were esily trackable) and thern later dressed into civilian clothes, which had no bulletholes or blood signs on them.

            You have fking faked this incident to start your bombardments!
            PERIOD!


            Oh, really?
            How a coup istignated and supported by the West and sending the troops of your puppet to suppress the people, whom had revolved for their constitutional rights against the coup of Nazi mfkers is not an act of war?



            Are you nuts?
            The first thing the new "government" of Ukraine did was the law to ban Russian langauge. After that Crimea and Donbass have revolved. Because your Maidan puppet dogs have spit on their constitutional rights! They have spit on their election choice and owerthrew the president they have elected!
            Then the new authorities have send troops to Donbass and started the so-called Anti-Terror Operation, which is pretty cynical, because the people of Donbass, unlike their Ukranian counterparts have never committed a single terror attack against Ukraine, while everything Ukraine was doing 24/7 was a terror attacks!



            No!
            Whe have tried to resolve it peacefully at Minsk!
            You have lied to us!


            No! It's you who have started this war with your coup at our backyard in 2014!



            None was killed during the unifaction Crimea with Russia in 2014.
            96% of the local population have voted to join Russia.
            Do you honestly believe that all of those people were voting with a gun pointed at their head?
            REALLY?!!!
            Are you that brainwashed, really?
            The people of Crimea have made their choice and get back to their Motherland.
            Just live with that!


            Bullsh!t!
            The UN charter gives people a right for self-determination!
            This is excactly what Donetsk People Republic and Lughansak People Republic have done!
            They have declared independece from Ukraine, then Russia has recognized them as an independednt states, signed a military alliance with them and entered the war on their side at February 22, 2022!
            Everything is very clear and in accordance with the UN charter, unlike your agression vs. Yuogoslavia.


            When "then"? And who caught us exactly? And where?
            We did help the people of Donbass, but again:
            WHAT IS THE CAUSE AND WHAT IS CONSEQUENCE?
            Donbass has uprised AFTER YOUR COUP in Kiev, not vise versa!


            BS!
            You were feeding your pet Ukranian mad dog since the fall of the USSR in 1991!
            You were creating this anti-Russian regime, you have grown a whole generations of Nazis saluting to Bandera!

            THIS IS AN ACT OF WAR!!!

            You were growing and growing this battle hamster of yours year after year for decades!




            See above! We did so only AFTER 8 YEARS OF YOUR WESTERN LIES your constant lies and pumping-up of your Ukrainian puppet with weapons and training!
            We wanted to resolve the crisis pecfully and signed a peacy treaty at Minsk, when Ukranians WERE BEGGING FOR MERCY, being the pokets on a brink of total extermination.
            Had Putin wanted a land grab he so then in 2015, when Ukranian army was basically non-existant and on the brink of total collapse.



            And by whom do you think this another "colorful revolution" have been organized?
            BY MARTIANS?!!!

            Are you in aware that Yanukovich have signed a peace treaty with the opposition, which was signed by misters of foreign affairs of Poland, France and Germany, who had promised to be the guarantors of this treaty?

            In accordance with this treaty, Yanukovich gave-up all of his power and a new presidential elections should be held withinn the six months.
            A part of the deal was that opposition will stop their protests and leave all the occupied government buildings (hello, "Trump's crusade" against White house), while Yanukovich will remove all police forces from Kiev and call and amnesty for protestors.
            He did his part of the deal, but the next day after he removed police forces from the capital, protestors have captured all the main government buildings and tried to kill him.

            And minsters of internal affairs of France, Germany and Poland, who have signed the traty and were the gurantors of it, just spit on it, like nothing happened!!!
            WHO THE F WILL EVER SIGN A SINGLE TREATY WITH YOU AFTER TRHAT, LIARS?!!!

            So, you better tell your bullsh!t to your granma!


            Once again! Check your facts!
            There was no combat in Crimea! None was killed!
            The combat in Donbass have started when a new authorities of Ukraine, the Kiev's junt have sent their army to Donbass!
            Not the other way around!



            You are lol Ger!
            Have you honestly thought that you can overthrew a legitimate president, install your puppet government over there, made a NATO naval base in Crimea, in Sevastopol - the city founded by Russians (back then in 19th century you have called it a Potemkin's village), the city of glory of the Russian navy, the city for WHOM MY GRANDFATHER HAS SHED HIS BLOOD IN 1944 adn was decorated with his second medal of courage, that you can later make Ukraine a part of NATO with your missiles pointing to us with a minutes flight time?

            Just what kinds of idiots are you?

            Of course we have reacted to your agression!

            WE HAD NO CHOICE, BUT TO RETHALIATE!!!

            And now you suck!
            Your whole Western coalition of 50+ countries!

            Because we are the GODS OF WAR and you are NOTHING, as you always havew been!​
            How do you feel about the coup in Niger? Russia's insistence that the (legal) unseating of Yanukovych in Ukraine constitutes a "coup" which permitted Russia to occupy Crimea would obviously seem to require that Russia must either recognize that other countries are now free to occupy parts of Niger and run their own referendums there to annex the land and resources. Russia shows no sign of doing this because they know perfectly well that coups do not justify breaking treaties and agreements, much less actual casus belli in any international legal framework.

            ​​​​​​Ukraine's "ban" on Russian never applied outside of official government documents. In 2022 Ukraine *did* ban anyone holding a Russian passport or who lacked Ukrainian citizenship from printing books or publicly playing music in Ukraine. That was dumb but it's not a ban on Russian. It actually reminds me of the "foreign agent law" in Russia. neither is a casus belli. Both are designed to control speech. what other country has had permission to invade and occupy and annex parts of other countries because the country had a coup and because they "banned" a language?

            You tell us that the separatists have never engaged in any acts of terror while Ukraine did so several times. Unfortunately There are far more documented cases of torture and direct violence against civilians directed at the separatists both under Igor Girkin as well as under the direct control by Russia than there are against Ukraine per any and all international courts who evaluate such claims. Why should anybody including Russians believe that the separatists never engaged in terror and all of their accusers are lying while accepting all such accusations against the Ukrainian government at face value?

            Russia refused to honor Minsk. Russia stated that Minsk would not apply to Russia in any way. Russia reiterated this over and over. Neither the Separatists nor Russia ever honored a single term of either treaty except for prisoner exchange. that's it. What terms do you believe Russia or the Separatists fulfilled in either Minsk I or Minsk II? If they never substantially honored any of the treaty, then really there was no treaty for Ukraine to break.

            Referendums are not allowed in Russia. When did Chechnya get its referendum to leave Russia as Crimea left Ukraine Serb? You constantly cite how loyal and happy to be part of Russia Chechens are as evidenced by how enthusiastically they all fight in Ukraine and how terrified the Ukrainians are of Chechens but what makes that look like meaningless cherry-picking BS is the fact that Chechnya never got a referendum to leave Russia. So sure, with no way for Chechnya to secede as Crimea did, Russia can successfully bribe local some Chechen leaders to bring their cartels into Ukraine to demonstrate their loyalty to Moscow and protect Moscow's guarantee of their local control in Chechnya but that demonstrates nothing really. In reality there's every reason to believe that Chechens would overwhelmingly want to secede as Crimea did. You can't refute that with anecdotes of thousands of zealous chechen recruits any more than Tartar conscripts into the Ukrainian armed forces demonstrate that Crimeans just want to all return to Ukraine. Until Russia respects and allows secessions within its own borders it won't have the slightest grounds for recognizing such secessions elsewhere.

            Creating and feeding the mad dog that was opposed to Russia is in no way an act of war. Russia assisted the Assad regime in Syria which had surely become a mad dog that was opposed to the US by the time Russia militarily intervened. I don't hear anyone claims this was an act of war against the US and if they did there would frankly be a lot more wars. The bar is waaaay higher than that Serb.

            Russia managing to push the Kiev regime to the brink of extermination and then securing Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 from them which nobody actually implemented and which Russia claimed placed no obligations on Russia whatsoever does not impress me. Treaties secured during military intervention, especially military intervention by a signatory to the new treaty who militarily intervened by unilaterally breaking a bunch of treaties are a joke really. Their existence and their negotiation first requires acceptance that the military intervention that broke a bunch of treaties is legitimate leverage for demanding the new treaty. If so why shouldn't the coerced signatories turn around later and fail to honor the new treaty as well? what's good for the goose is good for the gander Serb.

            You want to claim that NATO missiles within a minute of Russia are a casus belli but Russia has been loudly claiming to develop "hypersonic" multi-warhead nuclear missiles that would create the same threat for NATO. if Russia gets to invade Ukraine so it doesn't have to worry about that then I guess everybody else gets to use their military hardware as best they can so they don't have to worry about Russia including by keeping Russia's hands full through intervening against Russia's intervention against NATO's would-be ally in Ukraine.

            The deposition of and even IMHO the disruptive protests against the legitimately elected Yanukoych were indeed reprehensible. They were also not really any of Russia's business. Russia could have used any levers it liked to twist Ukraine's arm after that but military intervention was not justifiable. In any case Putin never officially accepted Yanukovych's requests for help and ironically Yanukoych doing so was clear legal grounds for his instant impeachment under Ukrainian law.

            Why do you think foreigners must have organized the protests against Yanukoych? He had just shot down EU membership for Ukraine. That was a hot button issue for sure. Pro-EU activists and anti-Russian nationalists conspired to start these huge protests. They may not have been justifiable (as far as they were disruptive and violent) but they were purely Ukrainian. Nuland and EU reps and everyone else looking for angles to influence it all was not organizing it all.

            For the record, Serb, Russia signed Minsk but Germany, France and Poland were granted no such role. They were brought in as mediators. They had even less responsibility for its implementation than Turkey had in the grain deal between Russia and Ukraine. There is enormous forensic evidence of countless violations of the treaties by Russia immediately after both signatures especially of massive ongoing transfers of military hardware, including new heavy equipment, to the separatists who continued to shell Ukrainian armed forces. What did the Separatists ever do to honor any of Minsk Serb? What were mediators Poland, France and Germany supposed to have done?

            One last thing Serb. I'm quite confident that the only reason Russia didn't outright succeed in conquering all of Ukraine in a couple of weeks in March 2022 is because so many of them, like you Serb, believe they are GODS OF WAR!!! Historically incredible cockiness by a military doesn't bode well for its performance. a little humility would probably be a big help in the special military operation.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View Post
              Haven't read a sinlge line of your sh!t infestted putin ass fascist propaganda


              suffice to say Serbs love us even more than before even iof we are NATO and that is because we acted in the peoples' genuine interest. Go ask any serb, who are their brothers they will say the greeks. That is because of all we did.
              Some misguided will also say the russians.

              Hopefully that will diminish but the west has also to play a role to that
              Is Greece in NATO, moron?

              Tell any Serb that you are from a NATO country and you will be punched in the face the same every second!

              You are a traitor of the Orthodox World.

              A pathetic, fking traitors, sucking the pipe cigarrs of your German, British and American masters.

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              • #67


                You should be proud of your betrayal!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Geronimo View Post

                  How do you feel about the coup in Niger? Russia's insistence that the (legal) unseating of Yanukovych in Ukraine constitutes a "coup" which permitted Russia to occupy Crimea would obviously seem to require that Russia must either recognize that other countries are now free to occupy parts of Niger and run their own referendums there to annex the land and resources. Russia shows no sign of doing this because they know perfectly well that coups do not justify breaking treaties and agreements, much less actual casus belli in any international legal framework.

                  ​​​​​​Ukraine's "ban" on Russian never applied outside of official government documents. In 2022 Ukraine *did* ban anyone holding a Russian passport or who lacked Ukrainian citizenship from printing books or publicly playing music in Ukraine. That was dumb but it's not a ban on Russian. It actually reminds me of the "foreign agent law" in Russia. neither is a casus belli. Both are designed to control speech. what other country has had permission to invade and occupy and annex parts of other countries because the country had a coup and because they "banned" a language?

                  You tell us that the separatists have never engaged in any acts of terror while Ukraine did so several times. Unfortunately There are far more documented cases of torture and direct violence against civilians directed at the separatists both under Igor Girkin as well as under the direct control by Russia than there are against Ukraine per any and all international courts who evaluate such claims. Why should anybody including Russians believe that the separatists never engaged in terror and all of their accusers are lying while accepting all such accusations against the Ukrainian government at face value?

                  Russia refused to honor Minsk. Russia stated that Minsk would not apply to Russia in any way. Russia reiterated this over and over. Neither the Separatists nor Russia ever honored a single term of either treaty except for prisoner exchange. that's it. What terms do you believe Russia or the Separatists fulfilled in either Minsk I or Minsk II? If they never substantially honored any of the treaty, then really there was no treaty for Ukraine to break.

                  Referendums are not allowed in Russia. When did Chechnya get its referendum to leave Russia as Crimea left Ukraine Serb? You constantly cite how loyal and happy to be part of Russia Chechens are as evidenced by how enthusiastically they all fight in Ukraine and how terrified the Ukrainians are of Chechens but what makes that look like meaningless cherry-picking BS is the fact that Chechnya never got a referendum to leave Russia. So sure, with no way for Chechnya to secede as Crimea did, Russia can successfully bribe local some Chechen leaders to bring their cartels into Ukraine to demonstrate their loyalty to Moscow and protect Moscow's guarantee of their local control in Chechnya but that demonstrates nothing really. In reality there's every reason to believe that Chechens would overwhelmingly want to secede as Crimea did. You can't refute that with anecdotes of thousands of zealous chechen recruits any more than Tartar conscripts into the Ukrainian armed forces demonstrate that Crimeans just want to all return to Ukraine. Until Russia respects and allows secessions within its own borders it won't have the slightest grounds for recognizing such secessions elsewhere.

                  Creating and feeding the mad dog that was opposed to Russia is in no way an act of war. Russia assisted the Assad regime in Syria which had surely become a mad dog that was opposed to the US by the time Russia militarily intervened. I don't hear anyone claims this was an act of war against the US and if they did there would frankly be a lot more wars. The bar is waaaay higher than that Serb.

                  Russia managing to push the Kiev regime to the brink of extermination and then securing Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 from them which nobody actually implemented and which Russia claimed placed no obligations on Russia whatsoever does not impress me. Treaties secured during military intervention, especially military intervention by a signatory to the new treaty who militarily intervened by unilaterally breaking a bunch of treaties are a joke really. Their existence and their negotiation first requires acceptance that the military intervention that broke a bunch of treaties is legitimate leverage for demanding the new treaty. If so why shouldn't the coerced signatories turn around later and fail to honor the new treaty as well? what's good for the goose is good for the gander Serb.

                  You want to claim that NATO missiles within a minute of Russia are a casus belli but Russia has been loudly claiming to develop "hypersonic" multi-warhead nuclear missiles that would create the same threat for NATO. if Russia gets to invade Ukraine so it doesn't have to worry about that then I guess everybody else gets to use their military hardware as best they can so they don't have to worry about Russia including by keeping Russia's hands full through intervening against Russia's intervention against NATO's would-be ally in Ukraine.

                  The deposition of and even IMHO the disruptive protests against the legitimately elected Yanukoych were indeed reprehensible. They were also not really any of Russia's business. Russia could have used any levers it liked to twist Ukraine's arm after that but military intervention was not justifiable. In any case Putin never officially accepted Yanukovych's requests for help and ironically Yanukoych doing so was clear legal grounds for his instant impeachment under Ukrainian law.

                  Why do you think foreigners must have organized the protests against Yanukoych? He had just shot down EU membership for Ukraine. That was a hot button issue for sure. Pro-EU activists and anti-Russian nationalists conspired to start these huge protests. They may not have been justifiable (as far as they were disruptive and violent) but they were purely Ukrainian. Nuland and EU reps and everyone else looking for angles to influence it all was not organizing it all.

                  For the record, Serb, Russia signed Minsk but Germany, France and Poland were granted no such role. They were brought in as mediators. They had even less responsibility for its implementation than Turkey had in the grain deal between Russia and Ukraine. There is enormous forensic evidence of countless violations of the treaties by Russia immediately after both signatures especially of massive ongoing transfers of military hardware, including new heavy equipment, to the separatists who continued to shell Ukrainian armed forces. What did the Separatists ever do to honor any of Minsk Serb? What were mediators Poland, France and Germany supposed to have done?

                  One last thing Serb. I'm quite confident that the only reason Russia didn't outright succeed in conquering all of Ukraine in a couple of weeks in March 2022 is because so many of them, like you Serb, believe they are GODS OF WAR!!! Historically incredible cockiness by a military doesn't bode well for its performance. a little humility would probably be a big help in the special military operation.
                  POS!

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                  • -Jrabbit
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                    Insightful analysis. Thanks for clearing that up, Serb.

                  • Serb
                    Serb commented
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                    Anytime!
                    You are welcome!

                • #69
                  Originally posted by Serb View Post

                  I don't know how exactly, but he would.
                  Perhaps, by erasing your lying West from the face of the Earth?
                  OMG. in what ape$hit nightmare world would Serbians see themselves as "protected'" by Russia turning the Earth into a post-apocolyptic nuclear horror? Do you even listen to yourself Serb?

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                  • #70
                    All the years I have spent in martial arts have taught me one thing - it is the spirit what decides everything, not a raw strength!

                    Spirit is primary, power is secondary.

                    Yeltsin haven't had both.
                    Putin has both.

                    So, yeah! I don't know how, but if he was in charge back then, he would have stopped you bloody murderers!

                    Period!
                    ​

                    Like he is stopping a coalition of 54 Western countries now!
                    That is how!​

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                    • #71
                      Your lame ass troops have failed to roll over a second rate power. And those 54 countries haven't put a single force on the ground... Yet. You aren't stopping anything... you are the one being stopped. Ukraine has the spirit... your troops are more prone to desert.
                      Keep on Civin'
                      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #72
                        You will run away from Ukraine with tail between your legs, like you did in Aghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, you name it, Hollywood warriors!

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                        • #73
                          Gee... we don't have any troops in Ukraine. Your troops are the ones running away
                          Keep on Civin'
                          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • #74
                            Originally posted by Serb View Post
                            You will run away from Ukraine with tail between your legs, like you did in Aghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, you name it, Hollywood warriors!
                            They can't really run away if they never went there Serb.

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                            • #75
                              He doesn't understand that simple fact. Again, it's his troops running from the battle field. They have lost any spirit they had.
                              Keep on Civin'
                              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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