Presidential Immunity

[BeBMan]

Should Biden follow Trump's idea of presidential immunity, and whack Trump over the head repeatedly with a big stick during a possible next pres debate, all while shouting "That's. Presidential. Immunity. For. YOU!" until Donnie gives up?

Surely Trump would say he's the only legitimate pres, so in his view Biden has no presidential immunity.

However, while the courts throw out the next gazillion of Trump's election-related cases, Biden remains in office for all practical purposes, and could deliver all the immunity he wants to Trump, at least according to Trump's own definition of said immunity...

[Geronimo]

Only flaw is I'm not sure Biden could lift a big stick anymore and the secret service could conceivably interfere. Might be better to finish him completely with a surprise sawed off shotgun to the chest that he had Hunter buy illegally. Secret service is quick sure, but not that quick

[Geronimo]

In all seriousness if SCotUS were to uphold Trump's immunity idea it would probably be incumbent on the sitting president to immediately abuse the hell out of it to build the kind of insane political pressure it would take to amend the constitution to overrule the idea permanently.

[Broken_Erika]

Only flaw is I'm not sure Biden could lift a big stick anymore and the secret service could conceivably interfere. Might be better to finish him completely with a surprise sawed off shotgun to the chest that he had Hunter buy illegally. Secret service is quick sure, but not that quick

Imagining Biden doing that and then holding up a paper declaring "Presidential Immunity" like the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2
Also imagining Trump doing the same thing on 5th avenue.

[BeBMan]

If it comes to that I guess travis would have a field day on X

[Dauphin]

Trump got COVID, so clearly there are limits to Presidential Immunity.

[BeBMan]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68026175

OMG

[Dauphin]

It's OK, because he is immune to that ruling.

[-Jrabbit]

On to SCOTUS...

[Ming]

The Republicans only listen and follow SCOTUS if it rules in their favor. If it doesn't, they think they can ignore it's rulings

[BeBMan]

Looks like they hit Donnie in the ... bank account quite a bit. No idea what the chances are for appeals in this one:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68320290

[Geronimo]

Looks like they hit Donnie in the ... bank account quite a bit. No idea what the chances are for appeals in this one:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68320290

i don't understand how harm amounting to something like $350 million occurred here.

[pchang]

The ruling tells you how the total amount was derived.

[Jon Miller]

How much taxes do you Trump hasn't paid? How good of interest rates has Trump gotten that he shouldn't have gotten? How much money have banks lost in bankruptcies of Trump companies?

JM

[-Jrabbit]

IIRC all 4 of his bankuptcies were Atlantic City casinos. No personal bankruptcies.

[Dauphin]

i don't understand how harm amounting to something like $350 million occurred here.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24432593-engoron-civil-fraud-ruling

Page 46-48; Page 82: set out the interest rate differential (what they should have paid in interest but for fraud vs what they did pay under the fraud). As an example, one loan for $125m was provided at about 2%, when a 10% rate would have applied but for the fraud, meaning around $10m in lower interest payments per year. Over 4 properties and about a decade the total was about $168m from the differentials.
Page 83 sets out an example of how he made a property purchase (and later sale and profit) which required loan funding to be achieved. The funding was obtained fraudulently, and so the profit on sale was considered fraudulently gained - Total $127m
Page 84 set out how a licence was maintained fraudulently, to allow a windfall on a property sale of $60m.
Etc. Etc

[BeBMan]

Looks like Donnie has to work as a shoe salesman​ now to bring in much needed cash

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/18/trump-launches-gold-high-top-sneaker-line-a-day-after-350m-court-ruling