defund the military

[N35t0r]

Right, because it's Ukraine that invaded Russia, I have been so blind.

[Berzerker]

You opened your eyes in 2022, Nazis invaded the Donbas in 2014 with our help

[N35t0r]

While Obama's reaction to the invasion of Crimea was pretty weak, I wouldn't call it "helping Russia".

[SlowwHand]

Having nukes as your only available response is a bad idea.

[Ming]

You opened your eyes in 2022, Nazis invaded the Donbas in 2014 with our help

And the Russians invaded, killed and raped the people they were supposedly "protecting" all in an ill fated land grab.
But keep feeling free to defend their war crimes.

[Berzerker]

allow me to atone for my sins by defending Nazi war crimes

do you believe Joe Biden wanted to prevent or provoke this war?

[Berzerker]

Having nukes as your only available response is a bad idea.

why?

[Geronimo]

allow me to atone for my sins by defending Nazi war crimes

do you believe Joe Biden wanted to prevent or provoke this war?

He certainly wanted to avoid the macroeconomic consequences and related inflationary crisis that resulted from it. He also spent a hell of lot more diplomatic time and capital very publicly trying to avoid the invasion than was spent trying to "provoke" the war. Admitting Ukraine into NATO is not an act of war. Would Mexico or Cuba joining the Warsaw Pact have been a war provocation? And if the US arming and sending Nazis to kill people in Ukraine for opposing a nazi coup the US funded in Ukraine was a war provocation then Russia was provoking war in its Chechnya operations. Of course there was never a nazi coup and there were never nazis killing people for opposing it but that's besides the point.

[N35t0r]

Berz thinks the US should have directly invaded Cuba in '62

[Geronimo]

why?

Because it's either a bluff and someone will call your bluff, or it's not and instead of people occasionally suffering the hell of conventional war people will occasionally suffer the hell of nuclear attack or quite probably even global thermonuclear Holocaust. Was that too hard to understand Berz?

[pchang]

Yes. Proportionality is too subtle for Berz.

[BeBMan]

I agree that the Russian military should be defunded, though corruption is probably acting as some sort of hidden soft-defunding already.

Instead of channeling the money into the pockets of Putin's key allies/players this would free up huge sums to improve living conditions and esp. education of ordinary Russians, which is badly needed.

Given the amount of Russian hardware and explosives rotting in the fields of Ukraine it would also provide positive long-term effects on the environment.

So all in all it r0x0rz.

[Berzerker]

Because it's either a bluff and someone will call your bluff, or it's not and instead of people occasionally suffering the hell of conventional war people will occasionally suffer the hell of nuclear attack or quite probably even global thermonuclear Holocaust. Was that too hard to understand Berz?

It aint a bluff, its the only available option by design. So what are they gonna call this bluff with? We'll nuke the invasion force if we dont destroy it with drones and missiles. Most of our stuff is not about defense, just offense.

[Berzerker]

He certainly wanted to avoid the macroeconomic consequences and related inflationary crisis that resulted from it. He also spent a hell of lot more diplomatic time and capital very publicly trying to avoid the invasion than was spent trying to "provoke" the war. Admitting Ukraine into NATO is not an act of war. Would Mexico or Cuba joining the Warsaw Pact have been a war provocation? And if the US arming and sending Nazis to kill people in Ukraine for opposing a nazi coup the US funded in Ukraine was a war provocation then Russia was provoking war in its Chechnya operations. Of course there was never a nazi coup and there were never nazis killing people for opposing it but that's besides the point.

It was a simple yes or no question. Joe Biden wanted this war and he not only shut down their peace deal, he got Zelensky to betray his word. Well, that aint hard, he was gonna end the war in the Donbas in 2019 but the Nazis and CIA explained reality to him.

[N35t0r]

So you say

[-Jrabbit]

2019? Why aren't you blaming Trump? Joe Biden was unemployed.

[Geronimo]

It aint a bluff, its the only available option by design. So what are they gonna call this bluff with? We'll nuke the invasion force if we dont destroy it with drones and missiles. Most of our stuff is not about defense, just offense.

How has nuclear deterrent worked out for Russia? It wasn't a bluff right? They will really retaliate with the nukes when foreign countries take portions of their country that are temporarily nominally independent (because of evil foreign manipulation at a moment of naive weakness under Yeltsin) hostage with Nazi puppet governments installed with a coup. These foreign governments then force the nazi puppet government to commit genocide against the brave Russian populations opposed to the coup. nuclear deterrence is not a bluff so now Russia will really nuke those foreign countries in response. Doing so will be wise because relying on use of nuclear weapons for deterrence is proven effective and Russia is free to get rid of their conventional forces since nobody will mess with them as they have been doing the last 9 years with their nazi coup and nazi genocides of Russian speakers. These things definitely occurred and Russia definitely deterred them from happening because their proven nuclear deterrent which is not a bluff stops these things which definitely occurred.

[Geronimo]

It was a simple yes or no question. Joe Biden wanted this war and he not only shut down their peace deal, he got Zelensky to betray his word. Well, that aint hard, he was gonna end the war in the Donbas in 2019 but the Nazis and CIA explained reality to him.

Simple yes or no? Ok. No Biden didn't want this war. That is also what I said in my original post Berz

[Berzerker]

How has nuclear deterrent worked out for Russia? It wasn't a bluff right? They will really retaliate with the nukes when foreign countries take portions of their country that are temporarily nominally independent (because of evil foreign manipulation at a moment of naive weakness under Yeltsin) hostage with Nazi puppet governments installed with a coup. These foreign governments then force the nazi puppet government to commit genocide against the brave Russian populations opposed to the coup. nuclear deterrence is not a bluff so now Russia will really nuke those foreign countries in response. Doing so will be wise because relying on use of nuclear weapons for deterrence is proven effective and Russia is free to get rid of their conventional forces since nobody will mess with them as they have been doing the last 9 years with their nazi coup and nazi genocides of Russian speakers. These things definitely occurred and Russia definitely deterred them from happening because their proven nuclear deterrent which is not a bluff stops these things which definitely occurred.

What will this enemy use to call our bluff? I'd like to know how their conventional forces will be immune to our drones, missiles and nukes.

[Broken_Erika]

Replace the military with 5,000+ private security forces, what could possibly go wrong?

[Berzerker]

a few hundred million people wouldn't have been killed in wars?

[Broken_Erika]

Or, all the private military militias decide to kill eachother....