Politics Thread

[Ming]

Fox is the most viewed cable news network in the US... And they pushed the voter fraud issue to the point they finally had to pay the price.
And Tucker Carlson pushed many of the wack job conspiracy theories in the most watched cable news show.
Some Republicans repost their nonsense and support their views.

[Geronimo]

Defending Trump yet again... but you never address his attack on our constitution and his attempts to overturn a legal election.
You never mention how media like Fox News spread his election lies and helped set up his and his allies attacks on election officials, putting their lives in danger. You never mention how he he has been found guilty in multiple trials... and still faces multiple criminal charges.

It was a fair election. Trump lost. And when NOBODY could find ANY PROOF of all his claims of voter fraud, now it's deep state this and media that. What's next on your list... God made Trump lose? Oh that's right, now Trump claims that he is like Jesus.
You never seem to attack the right media for supporting all the QANON and other conspiracies... heck, some moron even attacked a pizza parlor because he believed the crap coming from the alt right.
Media on both sides showed their biases... But continue watching all your conspiracy videos and defend all of Trumps illegal activities.

the Right media is basically just talk radio, Fox and a few low circulation publications. Every other US news outlet is overtly sympathetic to the Democrats on every topic and every issue that ever divides Democrats and Republicans. Not even Fox and as it happens not even Trump himself backed the QANON insanity. QANON's support seemed to be pure grass roots and a few minor commentators looking to expand their dedicated audience.

[Ming]

Defending Trump yet again... but you never address his attack on our constitution and his attempts to overturn a legal election.
You never mention how media like Fox News spread his election lies and helped set up his and his allies attacks on election officials, putting their lives in danger. You never mention how he he has been found guilty in multiple trials... and still faces multiple criminal charges.

It was a fair election. Trump lost. And when NOBODY could find ANY PROOF of all his claims of voter fraud, now it's deep state this and media that. What's next on your list... God made Trump lose? Oh that's right, now Trump claims that he is like Jesus.
You never seem to attack the right media for supporting all the QANON and other conspiracies... heck, some moron even attacked a pizza parlor because he believed the crap coming from the alt right.
Media on both sides showed their biases... But continue watching all your conspiracy videos and defend all of Trumps illegal activities.

[Berzerker]

You wanted a single instance but now a 5th circuit ruling the censorship was systemic ain't enough? After Trump got elected Democrats hauled social media CEOs in to explain why they let Russia steal the election. Ignoring the responses congressional Democrats demanded censorship... more censorship. Unless the contract Hunter signed was illegal it belonged to the repairman and the FBI took it and told him to keep quiet and they kept quiet while the CIA and 50 Intel experts in unison with media censorship of stories about it rigged the election. But no, the real sin is Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate why Joe fired their prosecutor. By God that's impeachable.

[Geronimo]

Trump was impeached for telling Ukraine to look at why Biden fired the prosecutor investigating his son's company. What Trump did was self-serving but Biden did fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma and he used our taxes as the bribe. Ukraine didn't want to fire Shokin, Biden and Burisma did and the latter was bribing the former, or do we call that peddled influence. That was in 2019 when Zelensky took office, the year before in 2018 Senate Democrats told Ukraine to investigate Trump over Russiagate accusations - the Clinton campaign Steele dossier etc all designed to smear Trump as a traitor. How could those Senate Democrats who agreed with pressuring Ukraine to investigate Hillary's lies about Trump vote to convict him? They could but it would stink to high heaven.

No, I don't equate censorship with Trump telling Ukraine to investigate why Biden fired their prosecutor.


"The 5th Circuit in its ruling said the White House “coerced the platforms to make their moderation decisions” via intimidating messages and threats rather than mere encouragement or conversation."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2574060/court-rules-biden-administration-engaged-in-illegal-censorship-now-what/

The FBI took Hunter's laptop from the owner and told him to keep quiet and they sat on it for 1-2 years. Joe Biden's campaign told 50 Intel experts to sign onto a letter dismissing it as lies so Joe could cite them in debates with Trump, the CIA was involved with that too. The government cant censor people via private actors, they're no longer private but work for the state and they were getting paid to censor people.

Berz it takes more than some non zero level of unconstitutional coercion of private speech to make an election "illegitimate". Way the hell more.

Furthermore, Hunter Biden's laptop was arguably still Hunter's property which he was presumably not claiming because he didn't want to incriminate himself. The FBI got a warrant to seize it from the guy who possessed it after that guy claimed he had earlier tried to hand the 'evidence' over to them anyway. pretty disingenuous to characterize that as taking the laptop from its owner.

[Berzerker]

Trump was impeached for telling Ukraine to look at why Biden fired the prosecutor investigating his son's company. What Trump did was self-serving but Biden did fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma and he used our taxes as the bribe. Ukraine didn't want to fire Shokin, Biden and Burisma did and the latter was bribing the former, or do we call that peddled influence. That was in 2019 when Zelensky took office, the year before in 2018 Senate Democrats told Ukraine to investigate Trump over Russiagate accusations - the Clinton campaign Steele dossier etc all designed to smear Trump as a traitor. How could those Senate Democrats who agreed with pressuring Ukraine to investigate Hillary's lies about Trump vote to convict him? They could but it would stink to high heaven.

No, I don't equate censorship with Trump telling Ukraine to investigate why Biden fired their prosecutor.


"The 5th Circuit in its ruling said the White House “coerced the platforms to make their moderation decisions” via intimidating messages and threats rather than mere encouragement or conversation."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2574060/court-rules-biden-administration-engaged-in-illegal-censorship-now-what/

The FBI took Hunter's laptop from the owner and told him to keep quiet and they sat on it for 1-2 years. Joe Biden's campaign told 50 Intel experts to sign onto a letter dismissing it as lies so Joe could cite them in debates with Trump, the CIA was involved with that too. The government cant censor people via private actors, they're no longer private but work for the state and they were getting paid to censor people.

[Geronimo]

Government censoring political opponents and covering up for Biden is the proof the election was illegitimate

under the electoral college that doesn't really matter. its up to each state to establish the ground rules for how its electors are chosen and up to each state to determine if its self established rules for choosing the electors were respected. This a problem that was just as real when Trump was elected in 2016. Also when Trump attempted to prod Ukraine into pursuing investigations into the Biden family surely you could recognize that this would be at least as illegitimate as the censoring of the political opponents that you're citing here. Especially since the censoring, while corrupt, was ultimately the responsibility of private non-government actors. Can you name a single instance where the government directly censored a private citizen? Can you name a single instance where the government covered up for Biden by silencing any private citizen?

[Berzerker]

The Twitter Files are available for everyone to read and that was just the tip of the iceberg, Democrats used the government and social and news media platforms to spy on and/or silence political opponents and critics and hide the truth about the Biden family. Welcome to our banana republic.

[Ming]

More Maga Conspiracy nonsense.
People voted... their votes were counted... And the people that got the most electoral votes won.
FACT.
Both were legitimate winners.
What was illegal was Trumps MANY attempts to subvert the will of the people.
But I'm sure you will keep defending him while posting all the conspiracy theories you see on line that are in his favor and against the Dems.
For somebody who claims he didn't vote for Trump, you seem to be his biggest defender.

[Berzerker]

and the 2016 election was illegitimate too but Trump won anyway in spite of Obama spying on him before the election

[Berzerker]

That's bad if true but wouldn't change that Biden legitimately won. So what was this "proof"?

Government censoring political opponents and covering up for Biden is the proof the election was illegitimate

[Ming]

Biden's Easter Statement

Jill and I send our warmest wishes to Christians around the world celebrating Easter Sunday. Easter reminds us of the power of hope and the promise of Christ’s Resurrection.

As we gather with loved ones, we remember Jesus’ sacrifice. We pray for one another and cherish the blessing of the dawn of new possibilities. And with wars and conflict taking a toll on innocent lives around the world, we renew our commitment to work for peace, security, and dignity for all people.

From our family to yours, happy Easter and may God bless you.

Trump's Easter Statement

HAPPY EASTER TO ALL, INCLUDING CROOKED AND CORRUPT PROSECUTORS AND JUDGES THAT ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO INTERFERE WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2024, AND PUT ME IN PRISON,” he wrote.

“INCLUDING THOSE MANY PEOPLE THAT I COMPLETELY & TOTALLY DESPISE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA, A NOW FAILING NATION.”

“HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!

Note... I left out a lot of his All caps rant. It was just more of the same, attacking people by name.


Which one is the real Christian

[-Jrabbit]

So, "no admissible evidence" = "censorship and cover-up" -- got it.

[giblets]

Jon Stewart railed against Trump for paying lower taxes on property based on low assessments. Stewart sold his NYC duplex for $17.5m while the market price was $1.8m and tax assessment of $840k

Art of the deal.

[Ming]

It is a FACT that no massive fraud has been found or proven.

And god knows MANY MANY people have spent TONS of money in an attempt to find it. And they all failed.

And to claim that there was massive fraud without any proof is in my opinion a lie.