Politics Thread

[Berzerker]

Realistically, it was an attack on anyone claiming they had a cure for Covid without any actual facts to back it up.
Ivermectin was one of several claimed cures. None had sufficient evidence-based science to claim efficacy (and the Ivermectin crowd was not claiming prophylactic effects at the time). That why we have the FDA and CDC.

I remain amazed at people's ability to keep a straight face when simultaneously claiming the vaccines were not properly vetted and a threat to us all, but hydrocloroquine/ivermectin/etc should be used enthusiastically and without question with no study at all.

Why do you hate science?

The attack on Ivermectin was a message brought to us by Pfizer. Because of regulations they might not get emergency authorization if there were existing treatments and medicines so the narrative attacked what was available and people died. This Kory guy is one of the Ivermectin crowd and they did a study on prophylactic effects, but people with covid were looking for help so the efficacy of Ivermectin in various stages of the infection mattered to them. Did Ivermectin have "any" effect? Yes, it helped, moreso taken early, very little later. That trend was consistent in the studies I saw. Whether or not that help reached a 'significant' bar set by the study's authors is irrelevant to the people who survived covid. I'm sure people with covid were taking a few meds to combat the bug, Joe Rogan took 4 including Ivermectin and he's hardly at risk given his health.

The Brazilian study was looking at people taking Ivermectin before infection, not after. Yes people selling Ivermectin (doesn't Pfizer sell it?) have a conflict of interest, but Ivermectin was relatively cheap and widely available. The narrative downplayed effective ways of avoiding more serious harm from covid, from vitamin supplements to getting exercise and sunshine. We locked down instead and rushed vaccines. You're arguing the attack on Ivermectin was so people with covid wouldn't use it. What else were they supposed to use? Ivermectin has a safer track record than the vax.

[Dauphin]

Realistically, it was an attack on anyone claiming they had a cure for Covid without any actual facts to back it up.
Ivermectin was one of several claimed cures. None had sufficient evidence-based science to claim efficacy (and the Ivermectin crowd was not claiming prophylactic effects at the time). That why we have the FDA and CDC.

I remain amazed at people's ability to keep a straight face when simultaneously claiming the vaccines were not properly vetted and a threat to us all, but hydrocloroquine/ivermectin/etc should be used enthusiastically and without question with no study at all.

Why do you hate science?

The term you are looking for is possibly 'Footballification'. A term to describe the way that the blind, unquestioning loyalty of football fans has been transferred to political figures, parties and movements.

[-Jrabbit]

Realistically, it was an attack on anyone claiming they had a cure for Covid without any actual facts to back it up.
Ivermectin was one of several claimed cures. None had sufficient evidence-based science to claim efficacy (and the Ivermectin crowd was not claiming prophylactic effects at the time). That why we have the FDA and CDC.

I remain amazed at people's ability to keep a straight face when simultaneously claiming the vaccines were not properly vetted and a threat to us all, but hydrocloroquine/ivermectin/etc should be used enthusiastically and without question with no study at all.

Why do you hate science?

[notyoueither]

The missing armies are likely on their moon base.

[Berzerker]

Dude, he's selling a book, and Jimmy Dore is throwing his bro a bone with an interview.

I swear, if these yahoos would focus on evidence-based science and peer-reviewed research instead of just crying wolf anytime their assertions are questioned, we would all benefit from the decline in their incessant whining.

Speaking of research, here are a couple recent findings:

1. News from KU Medical Center, reporting on a recent JAMA article:


But wait, there's more... In March, Kory published a new study focusing on "prophylaxis" benefits of Ivermectin. Interesting that, shortly after publication, the National Library of Medicine (NLM) felt the need to publish a clarification, as 100% of the study team failed to report their connections to Kory's FLCCC group and/or Vitamedic, a Ivermectin manufacturer:



I find it quite ironic that everyone who's out there claiming the libs are "politicizing" something-or-other is almost invariably right in the middle of "monetizing" (grifting) off that very issue for their own benefit. But hey, apparently the gulls never notice that their pockets are being picked.

Berz, you should definitely buy Kory's book. He relies on patriots like you to keep Big Research at bay.

He wrote a book about his experience and JD threw him a bone. I'm okay with both and I'm familiar with an earlier study from Brazil on prophylactic Ivermectin that showed a significant reduction in mortality and hospitalization. I haven't seen a rebuttal of that study and yours doesn't even address the matter, but Ivermectin is used around the world so it shouldn't be that difficult to compare users with non-users like the Brazilian study. Just a hunch, I wont be surprised if covid was less severe in populations with higher Ivermectin use.

The politicization was the narrative - the concerted attack on Ivermectin and anyone questioning policy. Yes, the narrative condemned doing research and disagreeing with Pope Tony "I am the science" Fauci . Kinda like how the Church banned publishing the Bible lest people actually learn what it says. We saw news anchors telling us gunshot victims in Oklahoma had to wait in line because of all the Ivermectin ODs. Thats narrative, thats propaganda. As I recall, when Trump was president Democrats were warning people about his vaccine. They were the vax skeptics before the election, then they lied and mandated it under Biden.

[Berzerker]

Holding back what? At this point, the only things left for Russia are a general mobilization (which the administration will not survive) and nuclear weapons (see #1, also a really bad idea for all of us).

Putin retreated from Kiev in Mar '22 because of a peace deal, not because he was stopped and beaten back. That was western propaganda. Once we told Zelensky to ignore the treaty after the retreat the Russian plan changed to grinding down ('denazifying') Ukraine's military and focusing on the east. I assume much of that army that advanced on Kiev is sitting up in Belarus waiting to advance on Kiev again. Idk Prig's agenda but Russia has a faction that wants to get this over with and dont like Putin's more measured effort.

[BeBMan]

After charges against Prigozhin have been dropped Putin's next step is surely to announce a general amnesty for anti-war/oppositions folks in Russia who ended up in prison for saying something, all while avoiding to shoot down Russian helicopters

[N35t0r]

Ukraine's lucky Prig aint in charge, from what I hear he's mad because the leadership is holding back but both Putin and Wagner are popular in Russia

Holding back what? At this point, the only things left for Russia are a general mobilization (which the administration will not survive) and nuclear weapons (see #1, also a really bad idea for all of us).

[N35t0r]

BuT iT iS aLl A wItChHuNt

[BeBMan]

He didn't even think of it.

[EPW]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/politics/trump-classified-documents-audio/index.html

Trump recorded while seemingly showing a highly classified document to staffers and others. He describes the document as being highly confidential and classified. He says he could have declassified the document while he was President but didn't.

[-Jrabbit]

Dude, he's selling a book, and Jimmy Dore is throwing his bro a bone with an interview.

I swear, if these yahoos would focus on evidence-based science and peer-reviewed research instead of just crying wolf anytime their assertions are questioned, we would all benefit from the decline in their incessant whining.

Speaking of research, here are a couple recent findings:

1. News from KU Medical Center, reporting on a recent JAMA article:

Ivermectin shown ineffective in treating COVID-19, according to multi-site study including KU Medical Center
Results of the study of the antiparasitic medication, once a much-discussed potential treatment for COVID-19, were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

December 1, 2022 | Anne Christiansen-Bullers

In a study recently published by JAMA, researchers found that ivermectin is ineffective in treating COVID-19 symptoms.

Researchers at the University of Kansas Medical Center were part of a multi-site collaboration that found that ivermectin has no measurable effect in improving COVID-19 outcomes.

In an article recently published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), the researchers concluded that taking 400 mcg/kg ivermectin for three days, when compared with a placebo, did not significantly improve the chances for a patient with mild to moderate symptoms of COVID-19 to avoid hospitalization.

The use of ivermectin also showed no measurable decrease in the severity of COVID-19 symptoms or the length of time these patients experienced COVID-19 symptoms.

“The most important takeaway from the study is that ivermectin does not help improve outcomes from COVID-19 infection and thus should not be used as a treatment for COVID-19,” said Tiffany Schwasinger-Schmidt, M.D., Ph.D., associate professor of internal medicine at the University of Kansas School of Medicine-Wichita, director of the Center for Clinical Research and site director of the study for the KU Medical Center location in Wichita.

But wait, there's more... In March, Kory published a new study focusing on "prophylaxis" benefits of Ivermectin. Interesting that, shortly after publication, the National Library of Medicine (NLM) felt the need to publish a clarification, as 100% of the study team failed to report their connections to Kory's FLCCC group and/or Vitamedic, a Ivermectin manufacturer:

This corrects the article "Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching" in volume 14, e21272.

It has come to the attention of the journal that several authors failed to disclose all relevant conflicts of interest when submitting this article. As a result, Cureus is issuing the following erratum and updating the relevant conflict of interest disclosures to ensure these conflicts of interest are properly described as recommended by the ICMJ:

• Lucy Kerr: Paid consultant for both Vitamedic, an ivermectin manufacturer, and Médicos Pela Vida (MPV), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.
• Flavio A. Cadegiani: Paid consultant ($1,600.00 USD) for Vitamedic, an ivermectin manufacturer. Dr. Cadegiani is a founding member of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.
• Pierre Kory: President and Chief Medical Officer of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), an organization that promotes ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19. Dr. Kory reports receiving payments from FLCCC. In February of 2022, Dr. Kory opened a private telehealth fee-based service to evaluate and treat patients with acute COVID, long haul COVID, and post-vaccination syndromes.
• Jennifer A. Hibberd: Co-founder of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance and World Council for Health, both of which discourage vaccination and encourage ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.
• Juan J. Chamie-Quintero: Contributor to the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) and lists the FLCCC as his employer on his LinkedIn page.

I find it quite ironic that everyone who's out there claiming the libs are "politicizing" something-or-other is almost invariably right in the middle of "monetizing" (grifting) off that very issue for their own benefit. But hey, apparently the gulls never notice that their pockets are being picked.

Berz, you should definitely buy Kory's book. He relies on patriots like you to keep Big Research at bay.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/Zx7EBmSoSYw

Dr Pierre Kory on the efficacy of Ivermectin and the politicization of medicine

He testified before a congressional committee, 1 Democrat showed up to smear him with an opening statement and left before his testimony

keep them bribes coming, Orangemanbad

[Berzerker]

Ukraine's lucky Prig aint in charge, from what I hear he's mad because the leadership is holding back but both Putin and Wagner are popular in Russia

Dude, why don't you just call it the Jimmy Dore thread?

He is the cure for what afflicts you, Stephen Colbert dancing around dressed up like a syringe is not

[BeBMan]

So far Hunter Biden is facing more legal consequences for minor thingies than Prigo for high treason.