Politics Thread

[Ming]

Proud boys who show up Jan 5 emphasizing how people need to go into the capital while people shout "FED" describes one person, not all proud boys. And then he showed up on Jan 6 telling his friend to leave the weapon behind when they go in right before they breached the barrier leading the assault on the capital. If he really was a MAGA Trumper the Democrats would make him a poster boy for Jan 6 alongside buffalo hat, not portray him as a victim.

The prosecutors have what they need on film, I said a few dozen people have been charged with attacking cops and it may turn out there were actually more govt assets on hand. But they were either told to let the riot happen and observe or encourage or lead it like Epps and his buddies. Maybe Epps is hoping to settle out of court, I'd like to see how a jury responds to his claim of defamation given what he did on film.

Again... NO PROOF.
Just wild ass theories.
It was a MAGA crowd. Trump got them there and told them to go down to the capital (at least he wasn't stupid enough to join them, even though he said he would.
Stop blaming it on the Dems or Deep State.
And what Epps did on "film" has NOTHING to do with his defamation suit. It's the claims Fox made that he was an FBI mole or asset that he's suing for.
Trump made it all happen, not the deep state or Dems. The Maga crowd didn't need any help in looking foolish or criminal.

[Berzerker]

Again, NO PROOF, just an opinion. I guess all the proud boys could all be considered FBI moles based on your "feelings"
Whether charges are brought are based on whether prosecutors think they have enough evidence to get a conviction. Body language and tone in a video is open to OPINION.
And more than a couple of dozen of people have been charged... Basing you "opinion/estimate" on simply those that were arrested for attacking cops is just silly considering others were arrested for other crimes.
And last, if Epps was a plant/mole, why would he be stupid enough to risk suing Fox News knowing that a trial could produce evidence that he actually was? The reason is, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS.

Proud boys who show up Jan 5 emphasizing how people need to go into the capital while people shout "FED" describes one person, not all proud boys. And then he showed up on Jan 6 telling his friend to leave the weapon behind when they go in right before they breached the barrier leading the assault on the capital. If he really was a MAGA Trumper the Democrats would make him a poster boy for Jan 6 alongside buffalo hat, not portray him as a victim.

The prosecutors have what they need on film, I said a few dozen people have been charged with attacking cops and it may turn out there were actually more govt assets on hand. But they were either told to let the riot happen and observe or encourage or lead it like Epps and his buddies. Maybe Epps is hoping to settle out of court, I'd like to see how a jury responds to his claim of defamation given what he did on film.

[-Jrabbit]

Not one of those statements is anything even remotely resembling actual evidence.

[-Jrabbit]

Stewart Rhodes was not arrested for entering the building. He was tried and convicted of seditious conspiracy against the U.S. government. He got 18 years.

Rhodes remained outside the Capitol, but co-ordinated with Meggs and other Oath Keepers members who stormed the building.

Rhodes, 57, and Meggs, 53, were also convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding and tampering with documents or proceedings in one of the highest-profile trials related to the riot on 6 January 2021.

At a hearing...Rhodes showed little remorse, claiming he was a "political prisoner" and insisting that the Oath Keepers were standing in opposition to people "who are destroying our country". Judge Amit Mehta rejected those claims and expressed concern about Rhodes' violent rhetoric, including a threat to hang former US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

"I dare say, Mr Rhodes, and I've never said this about anyone who I've sentenced: You, sir, present an ongoing threat and peril to this country, to the republic and the very fabric of our democracy," the judge said.

[-Jrabbit]

"Seemingly acted in unison"??? THAT's your evidence?

You're just assigning what you want to believe (or what Jimmy Dore told you) as evidence to agree with the available video, when it's far more likely that there were DC cops and Trumper Secret Service members sympathetic to the rioters who let them in.

[Ming]

he has connections to the proud boys, that makes him a prime target for recruitment by the FBI or some other agency

Again, NO PROOF, just an opinion. I guess all the proud boys could all be considered FBI moles based on your "feelings"
Whether charges are brought are based on whether prosecutors think they have enough evidence to get a conviction. Body language and tone in a video is open to OPINION.
And more than a couple of dozen of people have been charged... Basing you "opinion/estimate" on simply those that were arrested for attacking cops is just silly considering others were arrested for other crimes.
And last, if Epps was a plant/mole, why would he be stupid enough to risk suing Fox News knowing that a trial could produce evidence that he actually was? The reason is, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS.

[Jon Miller]

The FBI says they had had no interactions with him. And apparently he is being charged.

JM

[Berzerker]

The FBI was going to arrest him... and then they weren't

when he told people to enter the capital - and his body language and tone were quite telling, the way he emphasized "into" the capital - people in the crowd were shouting fed at him

the internet is not lacking for video of Democrats defending Epps

he has connections to the proud boys, that makes him a prime target for recruitment by the FBI or some other agency

[Jon Miller]

Can you provide some evidence that Epps is a plant (or has ever had a relationship with the FBI) or supports the Demorcrats or is supported by the Democrats? He seems to be a pro-Trump protestor who is facing some very serious legal problems.

JM

[Berzerker]

Epps told them to come and to enter the capital and to leave behind weapons or risk being shot by the cops. Now what did he tell the young man seconds before they breached the barrier? They claim he was telling the verbally abusive young man to take it easy on the cops, they're just doing their jobs. Seconds later the kid and 3-4 other men push the barrier aside and lead the charge on the capital with Ray right behind them. Epps was scheduled to be arrested but someone pulled a string and the man orchestrating a coup to destroy democracy became a victim with Democrats defending him from the very accusations they made about hundreds of people for wandering thru doors with the help or permission of cops. I do believe people who never entered the capital have been punished, the one eyed guy from the Oathkeepers got close to 20 years and he never entered the building. The few dozen estimate comes from the number of people being prosecuted for attacking cops.

[Ming]

deep state operatives and confidential sources

And again, Epps never went in the capital like the others, who were arrested.
If you think Epps should have been, then so should Trump.
Again... He was the reason they were there... HE TOLD THEM TO COME, and then TOLD THEM to march to the Capital.
And then watched it on TV in glee, while he did nothing.
It was a MAGA event... not some false flag operation BS. People died and were injured.
And it was far more than a Few dozen

[Berzerker]

Berz, again no proof he didn't enter the capital and not treated like those that did. Using your logic, since all he did was incite, they should arrest Trump. And no proof of 100s of agents.
and remember Trump watched and did nothing

He did more than incite, he conspired to breach the barrier. I'd like to know about the few other guys in that line, they all seemingly acted in unison within 3 seconds of Epps whispering to one. Trump didn't incite a riot and he was slow to act and should testify too, but he wasn't in charge of security so I dont expect to learn much. I already cited the proof for the govt assets, trials, Foia and researchers have given us data on their presence. A minimum of 50 from FBI and local police (dont know if that includes the uniformed capital police) and 150-200 Secret Service. I dont think those numbers include deep state operatives and confidential sources (like Epps?), so 100-200 is a conservative estimate. I suspect when all the govt assets are added up they'd outnumber the few dozen rioters who broke into the building. They did in the Michigan case, 4 'kidnappers' and 9 agents. Wtf? Those numbers smell like entrapment.

[Berzerker]

Thats partly why I didn't vote for him, but I defended Joe. I dont think you've grasped the concept of whataboutism, at its heart is an element of hypocrisy. For example, when Jesus told the Pharisees 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' he was calling them hypocrites by asking "what about you". I even defended Biden from his daughter's accusation, attacking Trump for his vulgar compliments seems inconsistent with my leniency toward Joe.

[Berzerker]

I dont know what was done in AZ but I'm okay with the Georgia call for the reason I gave, Trump spent the entire time claiming the election was rigged and his votes suppressed and he wanted an investigation to find the missing ballots. Fine with me, I think elections need more scrutiny because both parties are rotten to the core. The Stone thing was separate from Gore's effort to find "missing ballots" in his stronghold, ofc Republicans would raise a stink when Democrats wanted a partial recount looking for dimpled or hanging chads etc. The court told them to do the recount like that statewide and was ignored. Grand juries have very low bars.

[Berzerker]

https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ovid-condemned

“COVID-19. There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately,” Kennedy said. “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”

“We don’t know whether it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial or ethnic differential and impact,” Kennedy hedged.

Ofc covid targets races differently and I'm sure the mad scientists employed by the deep state are looking at bugs that can be gain-of-functioned into exploiting that reality or at least developing defenses if others do. But the USA is ethnically diverse and therefore more immune to such bioweapons. He summarized an existing argument that can be tested, why is that a sin? How do black Africans do compared with various new world black populations? Jews and Asians (and Africans) have fewer comorbidities and closer ties to the sources of these bugs. I think he's right to warn about this issue, I wouldn't expect China to develop a bug that targets Chinese people unless they wanted antidotes ready to go if and when Nato (the US) does.

Booze and farts - no bias there... If you're a Democrat and think the NY Post is your enemy, look again. The people bribing your politicians are bribing the GOP too