Prediction Thread: When Will Russians Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

What the fk do you know about reality?
Just re-read the post in this thread or your Western news, when the munity has began - there was a lot of Western creams on your Western pants.
So, fkn torn from reality, then bang - it is over less within 24 hours.
And your "fk Russia" paralled reality had crushed!
Because you have no fkn idia what Russia is and how it works.

You are just a bunch of brainwashed zombies, NOTHING MORE!!!

Everybody here was shocked by what was unfolding. Nobody was seriously surprised when large scale civil war was averted.

[Donegeal]

You just hate us to the grave and want us dead!

There's only one person on here threatening genocide every third post.

[PLATO]

You just hate us to the grave and want us dead!

I don't think the West "hates" Russians. In fact, we were all overjoyed at the end of the Cold War with the fact that Russia would be joining the community of free Nations. Sadly, Russian paranoia took over and you all (well...not "all", but you get my meaning) started seeing ghosts behind every shadow. Then you elected a man who really looked like he could help. We all thought so too. What we didn't know was that he had a deep resentment about how Russian influence had diminished once it was no longer imposed on people against their will. He mistakenly thought this was a ploy by the West to weaken Russia. It was simply people emerging from decades of oppression by a country they never wanted to be a part of or controlled by. So, in the only way he knew how, he began to try and exercise hard power to change this. It has done nothing but escalate. He has created or imagined crisis after crisis to solidify dictatorial power and try and "regain" what he thinks was lost. It is culminating now when he is finally running into real resistance. He is dragging many Russians to their death and many more into regions they thought they would never go. I imagine a few years ago you were not screaming "We will kill you all!" at the top of your lungs.

The good news is that I believe your people to be very pragmatic. Once the dictator is gone and you go through a hopefully short period of regaining national sanity, then I believe the West will be happy to try again and help Russia back into the community of Free Nations. I know most in the West look forward to the day when all our nations can be friendly and live in peace together.

So...NO, we do not hate Russians. We hate the way that you have been deceived. We hate the consequences of that deception. We hate that you are dying for a megalomaniac that only has delusions of grandeur . That hate is very much tempered by hope for you and your people that you will emerge from the darkness stronger and wiser and ready to rejoin in peace the community of Free Nations.

It is our deepest hope that that can be accomplished without having to destroy your country to rid it of the evil, but just as we did with Japan and Germany, Free Nations will do whatever it takes to contain violent evil. Only a fool would believe that any one country could defeat the ever growing society of Free Nations ready to defend themselves from people like Putin. I believe that one day you will come to understand what has been done to you and your country and I know we all at Poly will be here to support you during that time.

[Jon Miller]

In 2010-2012, when I was in the Europe, St. Petersburg and Russia were big on my list of destinations. I even started buying tickets to St. Petersburg (by ferry) but then changed plans last minute. I am a big fan of Russian writers, two of my closest collaborator/friends are Russian, Russia and St. Petersburg were, with Switzerland, the biggest destinations on my now wife's list for Europe (and we went to Switzerland in 2014), and I had an invitation to visit a friend in a small Russian town near Kharkiv (maybe near Belgorod?).

Not only did I look at St. Petersburg, Moscow and a visit to my friends, but also at a trip on the Trans-Siberian Railroad.

In 2014 I thought "forget that for a decade" and quit discussing it with either friends or my wife.

Now, I hope to visit St. Petersburg during retirement, over 2 decades away.

JM

[The Mad Monk]

And we have enough state of the art nuclear weapons to exterminate you ten times over!

Given the Russian knack for maintenance, I suspect that it's closer to 0.01 times over.

[The Mad Monk]

Says who?
Your antire military is about 100 000 people with less then 200 tanks.
You are a fkn disgrace, UK.

...and yet nobody is trying to attack them.

Why do you think that is, hmmm?

[Berzerker]

It turns out that "Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria" means "Let's attack them continually, using every resource at our disposal, while they (nominally) oppose Assad." The US continually waged war against ISIS and ISIS continually waged war against the US and its allies.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/07/14/486005012/u-s-russia-working-on-a-plan-to-coordinate-bombing-in-syria

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763545811/how-the-u-s-hacked-isis

Russia and Assad continually avoided ISIS and continually attacked US allies. "moderate" rebels didn't exist because Assad and Putin feared them most and continually attacked them and avoided ISIS. Until April 2017 Russia and Assad contributed almost no attrition of ISIS forces and only occupied ISIS territory after others ejected ISIS from it first.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKCN0SK0QR20151026

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obamas-syria-plan-teams-up-american-and-russian-forces/2016/07/13/8d7777cc-4935-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/3/23/isil-defeated-in-final-syria-victory-sdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZuyDVz4JMQ

When was there ever any sign of truce between the US and ISIS? It looks like there was a large truce between Assad/Putin and ISIS from 2014 to mid 2017.

A. the "coup" didn't exist so support or lack of support for it was irrelevant.

B. you label the ouster of Viktor Yanukovych as a "coup" because you claim that the unanimous vote to remove him from power was not possible without sniper attacks. Oddly, nobody in the Donbas was on record as calling it a "coup" not even the protestors who were a tiny fraction of the population, until after the little green men show up and seize power from the locals. But none of that matters. The subsequent governments were elected in their own right.

​C. Zelensky is leading Ukraine against Putin. Putin launched by far his largest campaign ever against Zelensky's Ukraine, not against the Poroshenko government. How curious that the government of Ukraine led by the natively Russian speaking Jew was the one Putin chose to most strongly oppose.

D. Zelensky didn't just run on ending the war, he managed to arrange the only meetings with Putin. Putin wouldn't let him end the war. The armed separatists in the Donbas had a mechanism in place as part of Minsk I and Minsk II to disarm. The separatists did nothing of the sort, even during the longest stretches of cease fire. Putin wouldn't let them disarm. Putin continued to ship in more weapons during all cease fires. By way of thanks for Zelensky's diligent pursuit of peace, Putin massively invaded Zelensky's Urkaine from all Russian borders and even from non Russian Belorussian borders with Ukraine.

There was more than a sign of a truce, Jake Sullivan told Hillary AQ was on our side in Syria. Thats a sign of military allegiance. According to your map Putin didn't send in military support until late 2015 to protect their naval base and help Assad in NW Syria. There was no reason for Putin to attack ISIS in our part of Syria and that would have undoubtedly pissed us off. Your Reuters link doesn't say Putin and Assad avoided ISIS, it says Putin bombed some group in conjunction with a ground assault by Assad. That doesn't support your claim.

So you believe "AQ is on our side in Syria" meant "bomb AQ"? Wasn't that our response when people found out ISIS was getting our weapons? Yes yes, tis a sad thing, the fine people getting our weapons gave them to ISIS... For several years. Did I do that? We were arming ISIS, we knew it and we loved it. ISIS/AQ are friends with our friends, the 9/11 hijackers were mostly Saudis. Look at the people we employ in our proxy wars. Islamic terrorists, neo-Nazis, our freedom fighters. If we (or the Saudis) go to war with Iran ISIS will be reborn like a phoenix.

A) Do you really think the people of the Donbas agree there was no coup?
B) Nobody on record calling it a coup? Do you have access to the Donetsk Daily for the time period following the coup? Yeah right, Putin told the world it was a coup so everyone who says it was a coup got it from him. The BBC interviewed one of the snipers for god's sake. People all over the world were calling it a coup.
C) Biden won and he wants war, Zelensky is irrelevant.
D) We have western leaders on record admitting Minsk was a sham, dont blame that on Russia or the Donbas. Next you'll be blaming the nixed '22 peace deal on Putin

[Berzerker]

There's only one person on here threatening genocide every third post.

a few are okay with arming Nazis to wage a proxy war near the Russian border for 8 years... maybe that contextualizes his threat?

[N35t0r]

a few are okay with arming Nazis to wage a proxy war near the Russian border for 8 years... maybe that contextualizes his threat?

Yeah, but I don't see how Russia arming the separatists and sending over 'volunteers' helps this argument.

[Berzerker]

They were arming people defending themselves from Nazis sent by Obama to bleed Russia with a proxy war

[Serb]

Yeah, but I don't see how Russia arming the separatists and sending over 'volunteers' helps this argument.

You would prefer all of the separatists to be slaughtered, right?

How about American separatists of the 18th century?
Did they deserve to be slaughtered too?​

[Serb]

By the way, Russia was arming and sending money to the American separatists in 18th century, but surely you don't know about our support of the American uprising against the British crown.

[N35t0r]

Given that US history is only briefly covered in Argentina, I didn't know and don't care.

[Serb]

And how in hell Russia's action to protect Russians at Donbass is a reason, not a consequence of YOUR coup at Kiev at 2014?

[BeBMan]

Berz is propaganda

[Serb]

And as an apogee of this colonial process, Ukraine not so long ago made a legislation changes:
- to make the English is a second language of Ukraine (they have banned Russian language, spoke by 80% of their population a very long time ago)
- to ban Orthodox Church in Ukraine
- to celebrate Christmas at December as Catholics, not in January like Orthodox Christians
- to seize Orthodox holy Cathedrals, Churches and monasteries, including Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra - on of the most Holiest places for any Orthodox Christian.
- to send Orthodox Christian relics to the West.

Not to mention that all opposition parties are banned at Ukraine since 2014 and TV-channels and other media, that don't produce a state propaganda are banned (some time with a brutal violence and burning of offices).
The clown Zelensky is noone, but your bloody puppet and a real dictator!​

[Berzerker]

sounds like a democratic paradise