Always a communist

[Serb]

You are a looney, Dinner.
A typical Western brainless zombie, who accept evry myth which whitewhash its own crimes and every myth wich demonize the crime of his enemy.

[Elok]

You are a Canadian, iirc, so remind me please just two things:
1) Where is the native population of Canada (the answer is - they were hunted like animals and genocided by the white colonists)
2) Who is your current head of state (is not it the British king, by chance?)

You call a cure a disease, because you are sick! You are sick with generations and hundred years of lying! And you don't even notice that you are sick!

You can't call a single native people exterminated by Russia, when she came to their territory, because we gave them a full citizenship, never tried to destroy their religion, language or culture. We have incorporated them in our state as equals, gave them alphabet for their own language, if they don't have any, gave them literacy, preserved them. That is why now Russia is symphony of hundreds of native peoples, where Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Judas live peacefully for centuries!!!

That is an unthinkable thing for a White Western masters.
So, when we have left Alaska and California the local population had realized the difference between Russians and their new white American masters very quick. Because the difference was so terrifying.

When the "barbarian" Russian Communists have left Afghanistsn, they have left factories and universities, total freedom for women and all other social freedoms.
When the "God blessed, never do wrong Americans" have left the Afghanistan, they have left only ruins, drug fields and dark ages.


That is the difference between us and you (the West).

You are the sickness, we are the cure!

1. I'm not Canadian you borscht-sucking kook.
2. My lying American education has mentioned the mythical "pogroms," "old believers," a large number of new martyrs from the past century, and the part where the Afghans were so grateful for your help that they drove you out with MANPADs.
3. Communism had nothing to do with anything Russia did in California or Alaska. Actually I'm not aware that Russia had significant involvement in California but honestly I'll cede the point because frankly California sucks and I'm okay with giving it back to all three of its surviving natives to manage, they could hardly do worse. NB Californians are closer to communists than the median or modal American.
4. I'm not sure why everybody ditched the Socialist Paradise the second Gorby's crowd gave them the chance, given that it was so wonderful.

[ZEE]

Du you have a clue that the goal of Communism is a society without ANY government?

In a way I agree with this, but to evolve too fast is dangerous as you go beyond the point of being practical to your current environment. Some fish growing horns, for example. Ultimately useless as they will still get eaten by sharks.

The current environment being the human race.... and they are still proverbial cavemen.

[Serb]

The problem with your corrupted, parell and twisted Western lying universe you are living at are simple historical facts.
You can lie to yourselves whatever sh!t you like and whitewash your sins no matter how hard, but the facts are:
The Native population of Americs WAS exterminated, genocided BY YOUR ancesters. Period.


And you can't say even a 0.01 of the same about Russia during the same period.


When you have tried to throw on us a Muslim World following the advices of Bjesinsky, we have both time ended-up in brotherhood with this World, becuse it is a part of our Russian civilization. The Chechens who you wholeheartedly supported in 90's, now are the most fierce fighters in Ukraine. And they fight for Russia, because they consider her their Motherland!

[Serb]

1. I'm not Canadian you borscht-sucking kook.

Well, sorry then.
Might be British then, which is even worse.


2. My lying American education has mentioned the mythical "pogroms," "old believers," a large number of new martyrs from the past century, and the part where the Afghans were so grateful for your help that they drove you out with MANPADs.

Do you know that "Pogrom" is the Ukranian word and all the pogroms have been commitied by your so beloved now Ukranians on the territory of Modern Ukraine (except Novorossia, which Donbas is a part of of)?

As for "old believers" do you want to remind me about the religious wars in Europe and how many peoples have been slain during the process? Russia is nowhere near!!!

NOT EVEN A CLOSE!!!

As for Afghans armed with your MANPADs, even the mozt zelos of them confirmend that Soviets and Yanks are like apple and oranges. One are warriors, others like bloody cowards.

3. Communism had nothing to do with anything Russia did in California or Alaska. Actually I'm not aware that Russia had significant involvement in California but honestly I'll cede the point because frankly California sucks and I'm okay with giving it back to all three of its surviving natives to manage, they could hardly do worse. NB Californians are closer to communists than the median or modal American.

Of course Communism doesn't, because it was 19th century. But the first "White" people who had colonized California were Russians, judt like Alaska. And the local Creols had the same rights as any other citizens of the Russian Empire, we didn't treat them as monkeys, like you you did, when we left America.[/QUOTE]

4. I'm not sure why everybody ditched the Socialist Paradise the second Gorby's crowd gave them the chance, given that it was so wonderful.

Because Gorby was a traitor and you have fooled us with your lying speeches.
But, that will never happen again!

[Elok]

I like how Ukraine was always historically Russian and Ukrainian nationality was essentially a modern construction until we mention the illing-kay of the ews-Jay. And Old Believers uh, weren't as bad as the Wars of Religion, which has nothing whatever to do with America but we Westerners are all the same, not like Ukrainians and Russians who are different.

[Serb]

You have run away from the debate.

[Elok]

I'm ... not denying we killed a lot of Native Americans? Calling it a genocide makes it sound like a far more organized process than it really was, really it was just several centuries of aggression, land theft, broken promises and general dickery. But sure, genocide, whatever. I don't believe Russia didn't leave a bunch of corpses in the process of expansion, but I can't be arsed to look it up and you'd only call any source I cited American lies so whatever there too. You were invited, punch was served. All this is unrelated to communism, which came along much much later and was invented by a German--a nationality not known for being associated with any genocides, atrocities, or violence. I don't even know who a Bjesinsky is but communism is idiotic and anybody looking at it with an unbiased eye could tell you it wouldn't work. The fact that fascism is also terrible doesn't change that, which is all I came into this thread to say.

[Serb]

So looking at the standard of living in Russia in 1977 and in the West...clearly the West was much better.

Nope.

I don't remember that, because I was born this year, but my parents told they had everything. There was no any deficit of any consumption products (I do remember in late 80's), but even in the last years of USSR it was a most just and happier society, another kind of society than it is now.There was no poor people at all!!! Completely! No single people was poor! Everybody had a home, a free medical care and a free education, which gave everyone an equal chances in life. And even a party beuracrats had at best a special state dachas and a little bit more money, but nowhere near as yachts and football clubs worth hundreds of millions USD.
I was a son of such Communist beaurocrats, who was in top of command of my 1.5 mil region. And his wage was less than of ordinary worker. I know that on my own skin.

Maybe Russia was better then than it is now, but I blame that on Putin and the oligarchy he established and not Communism vs Capitalism.

Putin was not the first president of Russia, dummy!
The first Russian president was Eltsin who created this oligarchy. Putin has put them to order and made them work for the state.
You (the West) were so absolutely in love with Eltsin, even when he threw tanks against a parliament in 1993, because under his rule Russia was diying one million per year and got so angree at Putin, because under him Russia's started to grow one million per year and he kicked the f*ck out all your colonial mechanisms from Russia. That made you sick, because you think that after 1991 you have already done with Russia, and it will die slowly.

Not gonna happen!

Heath Care may have been free in USSR but the Quality of Health Care was and is still much better in the West.

You tell a dying man about healthcare, right!

Your MEDICINE for rich might be better, but HEALTHCARE is something different. It's about healthcare of the Nation, not about the few who can afford medicine.
I was at my doctor today he is offering me a transplantation of heart to prolong my life. For FREE. And if I'll agree to that, I am sure it will be done at very good clinics. And it happens now, in 2022, 31 years after the fall of the Soviet Union, because we are still a social state! Just like it is unthinkable for us to see American veterans whom Arnold gives 2x1 m2 "homes" as charity, because in Russia, every military personel who had signed a contract (not to mention participated in actual combat) has a guaranteed home from the state after his contract is over. There is no simply such thing as homeless begging veterans in Russia.
THAT IS JUST UNTHINKABLE!

If we could get quality and free together then I am all in. Problem is that doesn't work. Capitalistic incentive is responsible for the vast majority of advances over the last century. (Sure there have been some from non-capitalistic economies, but the vast majority still comes from Capitalism...and this is VERY true in the medical field).

Capitalism as a part of "Modern" project is sure had advanced humany without a doubt! It is a WAY more progressive form of society then Feudalism, but it's time is over now!
And it's time to let it to go!

If you don't believe that exploitation occurs under every communist society we have seen so far, then you are simply not looking.

Unlike you I have lived in both Communist and Capitalist societies and can make my pick much more better than you! And base them on my own personal experience (without mention of theoretical books), than you can. You just don't have the experience I have. period.

Finally, I will say that Capitalism does produce undesirable income inequality. That is a fact. That being said, the poor in Capitalist Countries tend have a much higher standard of living than the bottom echelon in communist countries (and don't say that there is no difference between people's standard of living in communist countries because that is just to obvious a lie not to get laughed at)

Silly!

It was the foundation of USSR, which anniversary is today, by the way - the same exact day, a 100 years ago the USSR was founded by the decision of four Soviet Republics: Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia and Caucassian SSR, that gave a Western workers its social freedoms and improved way their of life to the limits they have never dreamed of before.

IF there was no USSR, your children would have worked since age 6, you had no 8-hours long workday, your women had no right to vote and work as men, etc.
Only becuase USSR had gave all those freedoms, the Capitalist Western World HAD TO do the same and the Western Capital HAD TO share a part of its profit to create a "middle class" to prevent alike Communist revolution in their own countries.

But, guess, what, moron? After the fall of USSR in 1991 they don't need to share a part of their profit with their slaves, that is why your standard of living are droping year after year for all those years!!! And that is true for both middle and lower strata, only the rich are getting richer, while poor are getting poorer!

And you are an idiot, if you don't see that!

[dannubis]

Fascism and Communism, the 2 sides of the same coin called totalitarianism.
Both have killed millions and caused untold misery. Why one should be treated differently from the other is beyond me.

[Serb]

I'm ... not denying we killed a lot of Native Americans? Calling it a genocide makes it sound like a far more organized process than it really was

That was indeed a natural process for you, because you were and still are a natural racists.

, really it was just several centuries of aggression, land theft, broken promises and general dickery.

Ok! It's getting warm for mutual understanding of the thing.

But sure, genocide, whatever. I don't believe Russia didn't leave a bunch of corpses in the process of expansion,

Sure we did!
We did conquer, but after the battle was over our approach to conquerered was much diferent, than the Western one.
I 'll give you just one simple exaple.
In 16th century the Russian Tzar Ivan IV, whom you call the "Terrible" had started Moscovian expansion to the East and conquered a lot of lands here, like Kazan, Astrakhan or Nogai Horde. He made their elite a Russian elite without a further doubt. The noble line of dukes Yusopov's (who were originally khans of Nagai Horde) were always a powerfull branch in the Russian politics up untill 20th century, when the last duke of Yusopov participated in the murder of Rasputin.

Now, if we tell to any British lord that once upon a time a British Queen or King have a Raja she/he had conqured a part of British nobility, only the laugh will be the answer.
THAT IS UNTHINKABLE for the racists.

but I can't be arsed to look it up and you'd only call any source I cited American lies so whatever there too. You were invited, punch was served. All this is unrelated to communism, which came along much much later and was invented by a German--a nationality not known for being associated with any genocides, atrocities, or violence. I don't even know who a Bjesinsky is but communism is idiotic and anybody looking at it with an unbiased eye could tell you it wouldn't work. The fact that fascism is also terrible doesn't change that, which is all I came into this thread to say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

[Serb]

Fascism and Communism, the 2 sides of the same coin called totalitarianism.
Both have killed millions and caused untold misery.

Bullsh!t!

Why one should be treated differently from the other is beyond me.

Because the side who is telling so, is a known and well proven liar.

You are the worst lying, bloody killers in a history of humany, that is why you lie about Communism.

[My Wife Hates CIV returns]

just like japan wwii, just like taiwan, just like ukraine... all now just like USA. it's all the same path. in the end... all the same.

[Dinner]

What make you think your Western myths about a hundred of million killed by Communist is not the same kind of myth?

Because it is actually well documented in the hostoric period of the 20th century and 21st century. We aren't talking about ancient history with illiterate civilizationsblike what happened when the Bantu expanded killing off most stone age Khoisan hunter gatherers or when China originating Austronesian people eliminated most of the Negritos of Asian and Indonesia. Uell, we aren't even talking about the Eurasian hunter gatherers who got wiped out by pastoralist or farmers in pre-history. We are talking about documented modern history.

[Serb]

And you are still the same! You sill want to keep robbing the rest of the World.
But your time is over!

[Serb]

just like japan wwii, just like taiwan, just like ukraine... all now just like USA. it's all the same path. in the end... all the same.

No, we are not the same as you or the Nazis and never was, just like the Capitalism was nowhere near compared to Feudalism.
When your Capitalism was trully formed and almost won its struggle against Feudalism during the Great French Revolution, the guiliatine was working 24/7 slaughtering thousands representatives of the former Feudal regime a week. There were rivers of blood in Paris, but you are absolutely ok with that now.
And I am pretty ok with that too, because Feudalism was much worse than Capitalism and the victory of Capitalism over a Feudalism was a progress for humanity!
That was a historical process and it took about 300 years for Capitalism to win over Feudalism, just like that Communism will defeat Capitalism at the end of the day.
It is inevitable!
Because that is how the History works - the more progressive form of society always beats a regressive one at the end.