Always a communist

[Elok]

That sounds more socialist than communist. Also "National prosperity" is a fascist ideal and I support it and I still say bugger fascists in the ear sideways because fascists ain't gonna deliver and it wouldn't be worth it if they did.

[My Wife Hates CIV returns]

MWHC is posting here, drunk yes. posting yes. Elok... you socialist.

[Serb]

Virtually all native Americans died of disease without ever seeing a white person. We are talking 95% .

Keep that lies for yourselves, as an indulgency, LIARS!!!

To claim people who didn't even know germs existed are responsible for people whom they never met dying is stupid and untrue. It is just a lie told by morons.

To deny historical facts like using biological weapons against Natives and exterminating them with brutal military force (and all other possible ways like putting a bounties for killing a bisons, which was their food base) is a genocide denial!
You have invented "it's not us, it's microbes" appology to whitewash your genocide crime!
While if you were educated and and watched EVEN Jack London of 20th cenury you would still find the evidences and traces of YOUR INTENTIONAL GENOCIDE!

Communists, however, deliberately killed more than 100 million people intentionally.

That is the lie, created during the Cold war to defeat the Soviet Union.
Anyhow, even if we assume that is true, the Western Capitalism alone (without 50 millions killed by the Nazi Hitler's regime) has killed over 500 millions since the 15th century.

Yes, you support an ideology of evil and every person who declares themselves a communist should be pushed out of society just like we do with Nazis. Because they are evil murderous pieces of ****.

I support the ideology of freedom, while you support the ideology of LIES and mass murdering, which comes hand by hand.

You lie to massmurder and after massmurder lie to whitewash yourselves.
And the most of all you lie about the one who is the opposite of you - USSR and Russia.

[Dinner]

I suggest you read the book 1491 as it covers the topic very well. It is simply a fact that diseases spread Indian to Indian with most dying without ever seeing a white man. I realize truth and facts are often foreign to propagandized populations, like Russia, but the truth remains the truth.

[Serb]

Communism and fascism, and crypto-variants of each, have both lived far, far longer than they needed to because of that idea: "We need to take the side of these extremists because they're the guys standing up to the other side's extremists, who are even worse." Bugger that. I don't like extremists and refuse to align with them. Fascism is wrong, dumb, and evil (and Dinner is AFAICT a vaguely IDWish American ex-liberal who's said some racist stuff in the past, nothing more), and communism is wrong, dumb, and evil in different ways, and I don't feel the need to side with the theoretically lesser of two evils, whichever that is.

To slavishly worship a mythologized idea of your nation's past and use it to justify violent expansionism and cruelty to foreigners and ethnic minorities is horrific. To entrust the nation's future to a gang of violent men who will forcibly confiscate all of its wealth, then "equitably" redistribute it in a totally honest and fair way pinky promise, is also horrific. A pox on both. The older I get, the more libertarian I lean. Human beings are too fallible, too sinful, to be trusted with power, and the best form of government is that which most decreases the ability of any given individual to impose his will on others.

And then you get to Russia where an essentially fascist leader is openly nostalgic for communism, and I don't even know how that works wtf how do you **** it up both ways at once it's like you got a third-degree burn from frostbite

No guts to answer my post directly?

[Elok]

Dude, I don't even know which post you're referring to; however, I imagine any facts I cite will be waved away as propaganda by American imperialists for brainwashed zombies asfsfagrrettr so it's kinda pointless arguing with you, yeah. But sure, lemme know which post you're talking about.

[Serb]

Care to read page 2?

[Serb]

I suggest you read the book 1491 as it covers the topic very well. It is simply a fact that diseases spread Indian to Indian with most dying without ever seeing a white man. I realize truth and facts are often foreign to propagandized populations, like Russia, but the truth remains the truth.

Do you deny that White colonist used bilogical warfare against the Natives?
Yes or no?
Do you deny that White colonists have slaughtered locals with a brute military force?
Yes or no?
Do you deny that White colonists used all possible means to exterminate the local population to took their lands?
Yes or no?

[PLATO]

Orcspam

[Serb]

Yeah, sure we are nothing, but orc for you, while you knights in the shining armor.

[PLATO]

Glad you finally get it. We will teach it to all of you soon enough.

[Serb]

You are a joke, who can't win a single war you have started.

[PLATO]

Then what's your worry? You think you are at war with the West. Attack or be known to be a nation lead by a coward who only wants to try and bully his neighbors.

[ZEE]

Orcspam

Actually, I damn near invented it.

[Serb]

I look at the result

I want a society of free education free health care no poverty and I haven't been fooled in believeing that htis creates less freedom.

I was born in such society in 1977.
And despite all the lies coming from the Westerners, I KNOW, based on my OWN experience of the first 14 years of my own life, that it was MUCH more better, JUST and HAPPY society, compared to the capitalist society I lived after (even if drive Lexus everyday).
Communist is the future of humanity.
The society without exploitation.
Otherwise we are all dead.

[PLATO]

I was born in such society in 1977.
And despite all the lies coming from the Westerners, I KNOW, based on my OWN experience of the first 14 years of my own life, that it was MUCH more better, JUST and HAPPY society, compared to the capitalist society I lived after (even if drive Lexus everyday).
Communist is the future of humanity.
The society without exploitation.
Otherwise we are all dead.

So looking at the standard of living in Russia in 1977 and in the West...clearly the West was much better. Maybe Russia was better then than it is now, but I blame that on Putin and the oligarchy he established and not Communism vs Capitalism.

Heath Care may have been free in USSR but the Quality of Health Care was and is still much better in the West. If we could get quality and free together then I am all in. Problem is that doesn't work. Capitalistic incentive is responsible for the vast majority of advances over the last century. (Sure there have been some from non-capitalistic economies, but the vast majority still comes from Capitalism...and this is VERY true in the medical field).

If you don't believe that exploitation occurs under every communist society we have seen so far, then you are simply not looking.

Finally, I will say that Capitalism does produce undesirable income inequality. That is a fact. That being said, the poor in Capitalist Countries tend have a much higher standard of living than the bottom echelon in communist countries (and don't say that there is no difference between people's standard of living in communist countries because that is just to obvious a lie not to get laughed at)

[Dinner]

For people who give a **** about facts and history this is the history channel on the small pox infected blankets myth. BTW this myth was created in the 1950's by Communist propagandists. The reality is there is exactly one case where one person tried to do this and there is no evidence it even worked.

It is largely just a lie stupid people repeat without actually looking at the historical record. I am not surprised Serv is mindlessly repeating old debunked Soviet lies.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.his...llpox-blankets

The one case was in the context of the French and Indian war with an encircled and besieged British fort which did throw small pox blankets out of the fort hoping to infect both the French and their native allies. The French officers do not report any such outbreak occured.

[Serb]

Communism and fascism, and crypto-variants of each,

BS! They are the opposite of each other! The two antogonists!

have both lived far, far longer than they needed to because of that idea: "We need to take the side of these extremists because they're the guys standing up to the other side's extremists, who are even worse." Bugger that. I don't like extremists and refuse to align with them. Fascism is wrong, dumb, and evil

Good to know we are agree on t

(and Dinner is AFAICT a vaguely IDWish American ex-liberal who's said some racist stuff in the past, nothing more),

Who cares about him, except Paiktis?

and communism is wrong, dumb, and evil in different ways,

Wrong!
Care to explain me what is wrong with the idea of get read of explotation by the capital?

How it's different from idea to get read from Aristocracy?

Both Feoudalism and Capitalism are exploiting people, just in different ways.


But when Capitalism repleces Feudalism you consider this a progress, while when Communism repleces Capitalism - it is OMG evil for you!

How are you if not a brainwashed zombie, like the same brainwashed zombies who oposed Capitalism as replecement for Feudalism?

and I don't feel the need to side with the theoretically lesser of two evils, whichever that is.

The problem is that Fasicm was a Capitalism's reaction to Communism, just like invasions of Feudalist Monarchies of Europe to France was a reaction to the Great French Revolution.

And when one thing (fascism) is the evil, the opposite to it is Good and cannnot be evil by the laws of logic.

And that Communism is the opposite of fasicm and the main ebemy (anotogonist) of Gernam Nazis have been proclaimed by Hitler himself in his "Main Kamph" fundamental book!!!

If one side proclaimes the other is the opposite, that means what have been said.
And if fascists are Evil, that means Communists are Good.

Simple as that!

That is logic, baby!

To slavishly worship a mythologized idea of your nation's past and use it to justify violent expansionism and cruelty to foreigners and ethnic minorities is horrific. To entrust the nation's future to a gang of violent men who will forcibly confiscate all of its wealth, then "equitably" redistribute it in a totally honest and fair way pinky promise, is also horrific.

Your western civilization has done both recently - you have confiscated HUNNDREDS of BILLIONS of USD only because their owners are rich and Russians.

You have committed an act of incredible robbery to stealing Russian foreign-exchange reserves and PRIVATE property of Russian citizens.
You have stolen over 600 BILLIONS!!!

A pox on both.

A pox on you and your capitalist system, where Canadians have beaten )often to death) children of the natives, who DARED to speak their own language.

And now, after the ggenocide you have commited to even start your country you dare to lecturing us about anything?

The older I get, the more libertarian I lean. Human beings are too fallible, too sinful, to be trusted with power, and the best form of government is that which most decreases the ability of any given individual to impose his will on others.

Du you have a clue that the goal of Communism is a society without ANY government?

And then you get to Russia where an essentially fascist leader is openly nostalgic for communism, and I don't even know how that works wtf how do you **** it up both ways at once it's like you got a third-degree burn from frostbite

Do you think you are smarter then Putin?

[Dinner]

So communism all the way, altough maybe it's different than the russian (or many other) brands.

It doesn't matter what flavor of communism you try because every single example of communism ever tried has been, without exception, a failure. All they have resulted in is poverty, misery, stagnation, authoritarian repression, and human misery. The people who claim "this time it will different" are just malignant narcissists who think they are some how better or superior to all the other people in the past who tried communism. They are not and communism always fails because it goes against basic human psychology.

It always will.

[Serb]

For people who give a **** about facts and history his is the history channel on the small pox infected blankets myth. BTW this myth was created in the 1950's by Communist propagandists. The reality is there is exactly one case where one person tried to do this and there is no evidence it even worked.

It is largely just a lie stupid people repeat without actually looking at the historical record. I am not surprised Serv is mindlessly repeating old debunked Soviet lies.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.his...llpox-blankets

The one case was in the context of the French and Indian war with an encircled and besieged British fort which did throw small pox blankets out of the fort hoping to infect both the French and their native allies. The French officers do not report any such outbreak occured.

What make you think your Western myths about a hundred of million killed by Communist is not the same kind of myth?