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  • #16
    Originally posted by Serb View Post

    Do you know that as a deeply religios person Ivan-IV have had ordered to serve a memorial service in Church for everyone whom he had sentenced to death or otherwise brought to death?

    Those books, known as church synods that contains the EXACT names of his victims are well known now!
    Technically now we know EVERY NAME of his "victims".
    Every name and surname!!! EVERYONE!!!
    And it's less than four thousand people for all his half century regin!
    At the same time his Western collegues have killed 40 thousands of his citizens just at one St. Barthomews's massacre!
    40 thousand in a one single night!

    And you (the West) spread those lies about Ivan the Terrible for CENTURIES!!!

    You are just lairs!!!
    couldn't Ivan try to game the system by selectively reporting his misdeeds to the church?

    Surely the official count could be a gross undercount.

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    • #17
      What for? He was a deeply religious person!
      And he was a Tzar (the Emperor) - one his single word and none name would be saved into a Church books never. Not a single name! But he ordered to wrote their names properly with their full names in Syndics to make services for their souls!
      He was an Emperor and had an absolute power!!!
      Turn-on your logic! If he could hide anything, then why he ordered to write down some? And Synodic with the names whom he ordered to kill is a historical document! It can be seen now!
      The truth is that you have started to spread sh!t about Russia since the 16th century and still are prisoners of your own myths created by yourselves!

      The truth is that the Western collegues of Ivan-IV were TEN TIMES (at least) more bloody, then he was.

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      • #18
        Please, help me in my Queen thread!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Serb View Post
          Sure he was! That was his first name!


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          • #20
            So apart from well-established composer folks, Ivan the Terrible, Alexander Nevski (the movie), the Lada Niva, and various math/science guys who now work outside Russia plus Radio Moscow (errm) -- what has Russia ever done for us?

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            • #21
              I thought they were already referenced, but Tolstoy and Dostoevsky were two of the greatest authors ever (I haven't read them in the original Russian, but big draw to learning Russian is to read the originals).

              JM
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              • #22
                Originally posted by BeBMan View Post
                So apart from well-established composer folks, Ivan the Terrible, Alexander Nevski (the movie), the Lada Niva, and various math/science guys who now work outside Russia plus Radio Moscow (errm) -- what has Russia ever done for us?
                The first space launch?
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #23
                  Serb, FFS, the point of this thread was explicitly to avoid dumb Russia-vs-the-west dickwaving. I didn't say Ivan was worse (or better) than anybody, but I assumed just calling him a scary son of a ***** would be uncontroversial given that his own people called him "Ivan the Terrible," though I understand the title is a poor translation and "ominous," "terrifying," "formidable," or "imposing" would be a better fit. Anyway, MOVING ON!
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dinner View Post

                    The first space launch?
                    Good one indeed.
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                    • #25
                      Mendeleev > Periodic table. Rumour has it there's an extra-large version of it in the Kremlin somehwere
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                      • #26
                        Often it's just not realistic not to get any worried when alone in a dark forest. It's far from uncommon to get startled by some kind of sounds when you don't know what the **** it is.
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                        • #27
                          Everything north of 60 is cool to cold.
                          There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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                          • #28
                            Permafrost in Siberia is also supposed to be cool, but climate change may ...well...change it over time.
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