Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Berzerker]

OMG Berz. How the hell did millions of Ukrainians "know" who the muscle was behind the coup? Even if we (inexplicably) concede your point that the US somehow successfully engineered the entire coup how in the hell would this be visible to ordinary Ukrainians? Every Ukrainian on the public payroll saw American accented sunglasses, suit and cowboy boots clad CIA agents routinely meeting with their bosses behind closed doors? Watching Jimmy Dore videos?

If Russia supported Minsk why didn't they leave Ukraine? Why didn't they do anything whatsoever to implement any of it whatsoever? If Russia and the separatists wanted peace why did they raise an army in Donbas?

For the record Berz, how do you see when an opinion poll is getting in the way of profit?

They figured it out like you did, if it wasn't already obvious the right wing ran around attacking protesters. Opinion polls only matter when profiteers make $$$ off democracy, when democracy is in the way polls no longer matter. Minsk was negotiated after Kiev sent an army to attack eastern Ukrainians and after the separatists defended themselves. Minsk was not enforced because the US and Azov didn't support it, the last thing we wanted was peace in the region. When Zelensky got elected to end the war he went to the front line to remove Azov and they told him to leave and he did. Thats muscle.

[Berzerker]

Well, that is both retarded and stupid. Please tell me how the parliament following the constitution after a corrupt former President flees the country after trying to execute his opposition is a "coup". He was legally removed, new elections were legally held, after he committed gross human rights violations and crimes against the people. A strange "coup" which follows the constitution.

A more honest and intelligent person would call that following the constitution. Don't let facts get in your way of spouting horse crap Putinist propaganda though.

https://youtu.be/mJhJ6hks0Jg

The BBC interviewed one of the Maidan snipers, they fired on protesters and cops. It was a right wing coup and Victoria Nuland picked the successor weeks before the massacre.

[Geronimo]

Hostilities began when the elected leader of Ukraine was ousted by a coup backed by the USA. Ukraine had millions of "separatists" who opposed that coup and they knew who the muscle was behind it. Persecution was coming, group by group. Millions of Ukrainians rejected the coup and right wing rule, they weren't little green men. If you're right, why did Russia and the people of the Donbas support Minsk? That deal kept them in Ukraine.

As for Crimea, the people there didn't support the coup either and they were defended by Russia's military bases. Any country in that situation would move in more forces to protect their bases. Ukraine blockaded Crimea but Russia didn't attack them. Why didn't the millions of eastern Ukrainians join Azov to repel Russian little green men? Have you noticed how our media ignores opinion polls of people living in war zones when democracy gets in the way of profit?

OMG Berz. How the hell did millions of Ukrainians "know" who the muscle was behind the coup? Even if we (inexplicably) concede your point that the US somehow successfully engineered the entire coup how in the hell would this be visible to ordinary Ukrainians? Every Ukrainian on the public payroll saw American accented sunglasses, suit and cowboy boots clad CIA agents routinely meeting with their bosses behind closed doors? Watching Jimmy Dore videos?

If Russia supported Minsk why didn't they leave Ukraine? Why didn't they do anything whatsoever to implement any of it whatsoever? If Russia and the separatists wanted peace why did they raise an army in Donbas?

For the record Berz, how do you see when an opinion poll is getting in the way of profit?

[Dinner]

Well, that is both retarded and stupid. Please tell me how the parliament following the constitution after a corrupt former President flees the country after trying to execute his opposition is a "coup". He was legally removed, new elections were legally held, after he committed gross human rights violations and crimes against the people. A strange "coup" which follows the constitution.

A more honest and intelligent person would call that following the constitution. Don't let facts get in your way of spouting horse crap Putinist propaganda though.

[Berzerker]

Except that Russia started hostilities by sending green men to Crimea, seizing control, then annexxing it. Russian "volunteer" forces also participated on the side of the so-called separatists in Donbas, there's plenty of evidence. And those "separatists", as we see now, were not at all about autonomy, separatism or even independence - they were just a means to carve out pieces of Ukraine that Putin liked to have for a variety of reasons.

Hostilities began when the elected leader of Ukraine was ousted by a coup backed by the USA. Ukraine had millions of "separatists" who opposed that coup and they knew who the muscle was behind it. Persecution was coming, group by group. Millions of Ukrainians rejected the coup and right wing rule, they weren't little green men. If you're right, why did Russia and the people of the Donbas support Minsk? That deal kept them in Ukraine.

As for Crimea, the people there didn't support the coup either and they were defended by Russia's military bases. Any country in that situation would move in more forces to protect their bases. Ukraine blockaded Crimea but Russia didn't attack them. Why didn't the millions of eastern Ukrainians join Azov to repel Russian little green men? Have you noticed how our media ignores opinion polls of people living in war zones when democracy gets in the way of profit?

[PLATO]

Except that Russia started hostilities by sending green men to Crimea, seizing control, then annexxing it. Russian "volunteer" forces also participated on the side of the so-called separatists in Donbas, there's plenty of evidence. And those "separatists", as we see now, were not at all about autonomy, separatism or even independence - they were just a means to carve out pieces of Ukraine that Putin liked to have for a variety of reasons.

Please don't confuse Berz with the truth.

[pchang]

Repellant != Proof

[Geronimo]

Cheap and lightweight. But, definitely not all weather. Doesn’t it rain a fair amount in Ukraine?

The are constructed of cardboard with a water repellent coating.

[BeBMan]

Did eastern Ukrainians defend themselves from Russia in 2014-5? No, they were being attacked by Kiev's army so they asked for Russia's help. Ofc Putin responded, the Russian people wanted him to defend their brethren.

Except that Russia started hostilities by sending green men to Crimea, seizing control, then annexxing it. Russian "volunteer" forces also participated on the side of the so-called separatists in Donbas, there's plenty of evidence. And those "separatists", as we see now, were not at all about autonomy, separatism or even independence - they were just a means to carve out pieces of Ukraine that Putin liked to have for a variety of reasons.

[BeBMan]

War in Chechnya is justified if there were referendums in Ukraine. Smart.

[Berzerker]

for your edification

https://youtu.be/zsPSuQAE1to

[Broken_Erika]

[Berzerker]

It's incredibly important that neither Donbas independence, including any part of the Donbas, nor Donbas accession to Russia were on the ballot Berz.

They voted to federalize Ukraine and the entire ballot was about greater autonomy. Their intent was clear long before Azov started shelling them.

[Berzerker]

I utterly and completely laugh at the idiotic ideo that 90% voted to join Russia. The Russians literally went around armed with guns telling people they had to vote for annexation. What type of moron thinks that is a fair vote?

The USSR was dissolving and Gorbachev offered a new deal and the various member states voted on it, Crimea agreed to the deal if they regained their status as a republic. Apparently Oblasts have less power within the old union. Crimea was home to the Russian Black Sea fleet, much of the population were employed or on pensions and they did not want to lose that with independence. Much of the resistance to Maidan came from retirees who feared losing money.

Gorbachev's effort failed so Crimea voted 54% to join Ukraine. A few years later both Crimea and Donbas overwhelmingly voted for more autonomy. I dont know why ya'll think Russia had to force them to 'separate' from Ukraine. Did eastern Ukrainians defend themselves from Russia in 2014-5? No, they were being attacked by Kiev's army so they asked for Russia's help. Ofc Putin responded, the Russian people wanted him to defend their brethren.

[pchang]

Cheap and lightweight. But, definitely not all weather. Doesn’t it rain a fair amount in Ukraine?