Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[PLATO]

Completely nonsensical and inaccurate. Not to mention that the "coup" has been repeatedly shown to be debunked...most especially by a LEGAL parliamentary vote. It is not obvious that they want to be ruled by Russia, but that is not the point. They are part of Ukraine and need to work within that system. The whole Nazi thing has also been repeatedly debunked. Can you not learn?

[Geronimo]

And let the Nazis rule the people they've spent a decade attacking. Sounds like good times. What if the people of Crimea and the Donbas dont want Russia to leave? At this point aint it obvious they dont want to be ruled by Kiev? When Russia "invaded" the people of the Donbas didn't start shooting at them, they were already shooting at the militias sent by Kiev. Now why is that? Russia was helping the people of eastern Ukraine expel the Nazi occupiers on their lands. One more thing, it was a coup. "Legally" the people in Ukraine (and the rest of the world) had no obligation to support it and the ones who didn't were attacked.

In what possible way will the "nazis" "rule" anyone after a Ukrainian victory, let alone "nazis" that "attacked them" for 10 years? Specifically who are the nazis? You've claimed the Nazis are Azov. Zelensky wanted peace you say but Azov overruled him and they are Nazis! Berz...Azov is at about 900 troops now. *None* of the officers were in or on record as having even voted for the farthest right party in Ukraine. How in the hell will they "rule" anyone? If zelensky can survive Russian assassinations there is no way he will somehow be beholden to Azov, let alone to imaginary "Nazi's Azov.

Also the Russian soldiers *were* shot at by people living in the Donbas each time when Russia moved more of them into the Donbas until the new Russian management killed, jailed, disappeared or cowed them into submission.

Finally what does "supporting" a coup mean? Refraining from declaring independence with an armed insurrection? Are you saying that is now acceptable by every province in Niger (where an actual coup has occurred) to declare independence with armed insurrection and get annexed by various neighboring countries? The "coup" makes that all fair game?

[Berzerker]

Yes. Going into a nation because some people are accused to be Nazis can not be normalized. If some people are Nazis, and they are doing a genocide or something, then you bring it up at the UN or ICC and get international support. You don't just attack the nation and act in every way as a belligerent. The majority of the reporting says that Russia is engaging in various war crimes, and that fits what Russia has also claimed.

JM

Who do you call when Nato is arming the Nazis to kill ethnic Russians and who is giving us the majority of reporting? So, what did the UN have to say about Nato arming Nazis to kill eastern Ukrainians? Its been about a decade now, any word? The UN is an international body, it typically doesn't address what govts do to their own people. Didn't the ICC accuse Putin of a war crime because Russian soldiers evacuated special needs kids from a Ukrainian advance?

[Berzerker]

Continually amazed that Ukraine's legally recognized borders (including by Russia) are continually being ignored by the "who armed who" crowd. Russia is guilty...pure and simple. The solution is for Russia to withdraw to its internationally recognized borders...pure and simple.

Once this is done, then discussions on any other issues can begin. Until then, the occupiers must be expelled.

And let the Nazis rule the people they've spent a decade attacking. Sounds like good times. What if the people of Crimea and the Donbas dont want Russia to leave? At this point aint it obvious they dont want to be ruled by Kiev? When Russia "invaded" the people of the Donbas didn't start shooting at them, they were already shooting at the militias sent by Kiev. Now why is that? Russia was helping the people of eastern Ukraine expel the Nazi occupiers on their lands. One more thing, it was a coup. "Legally" the people in Ukraine (and the rest of the world) had no obligation to support it and the ones who didn't were attacked.

[-Jrabbit]

Because Putin's yes-man minions assured him it would be a 3-day ride to Kiev, where the Russian troops would be welcomed as heroes.
And Vlad is so isolated, he believed it.

[Ming]

If Nazi's are the issue, then somebody should invade the US, because the Republican Party is becoming the party for Nazi's.

And yeah... listening to how Russia is there to help "their people" is a total farce considering they are killing and raping them.

[Jon Miller]

Yes. Going into a nation because some people are accused to be Nazis can not be normalized. If some people are Nazis, and they are doing a genocide or something, then you bring it up at the UN or ICC and get international support. You don't just attack the nation and act in every way as a belligerent. The majority of the reporting says that Russia is engaging in various war crimes, and that fits what Russia has also claimed.

JM

[PLATO]

Continually amazed that Ukraine's legally recognized borders (including by Russia) are continually being ignored by the "who armed who" crowd. Russia is guilty...pure and simple. The solution is for Russia to withdraw to its internationally recognized borders...pure and simple.

Once this is done, then discussions on any other issues can begin. Until then, the occupiers must be expelled.

[Berzerker]

Azov attacked the Donbas with our weapons, Putin is irrelevant

[Berzerker]

Putin and Biden arming Nazis...which one did you vote for?

[BeBMan]

Meduza revealed that Putin armed the Nazis. And just recently Reuters found out that he also gave them roles in his presidential apparatus.

[Berzerker]

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[PLATO]

Bullcrap Berz.

Great name!

[PLATO]

Thanks Dauphin. That was an insightful article. It certainly makes me question if I have some subconscious misogyny going on here. I'd like to think not, but the research you provided looks good. Something to work on I guess...

[Berzerker]

Bullcrap Berz. The US couldn't have invented the likes of the Taliban. Our bureaucrats just aren't that imaginative. They kept the insurrection by mujahedeen against the communist government hot by sending those mujahedeen weapons, but eventually that government was going to succumb to corruption and religious insurrection in the long run anyway. You act like all the US has to do is drop some weapons in an area and war breaks out. that's not how it works. USSR and PRC trained plenty of north Korean and north Vietnamese fighters and sent them mountains of war material. Do you ascribe those millions of casualties 3/3 to the communists? Why not? You say the Donbas rose up in arms because of Kiev's "coup"? Why don't you think Syrians rose up in arms because of Assad's "coup"? After all, you defined coup earlier as any change in power resulting from violence anywhere in the political process and Assad's entire assumption of his dads dynasty is soaked in blood.

I'm completely with you on opposing US armed intervention in nearly all cases. What I find despicable, however, is your huge double standard when Russia, or anyone else engages in these armed interventions. When that happens you seem to forget all about the standard you apply to US interventions.

The US and its allies recruited, funded and armed fanatical Muslims to wage a proxy war against Russia in Afghanistan. But no, not really... Americans would never dream up such a strategy. Carter's advisor said that was the plan. Why would the Taliban - religious zealots - inherit a country conquered by religious zealots flocking to the call and dime of Uncle Sam? I never mentioned Korea but the war in Vietnam stemmed from France trying to hang onto it after WWII. The natives were restless and war eventually drove the French into retreat with pleas for our help. Not exactly the moral high ground for us to wage a war killing millions.

If the Donbas and Crimea dont want to be ruled by Azov should we force them? That wont happen of course, we wont risk the US army to compel eastern Ukrainians to live under western Ukrainian rule. What intervention specifically were you comparing Ukraine to for this double standard you see? If Russia toppled the Mexican govt and sent an army to attack people south of our border I would oppose arming Russia - thats consistent. How about you? I defined coup as what now? I didn't support Assad or his dad, I'm opposed to arming terrorists to destroy Syria... or does the end justify the means?