Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Ming]

So I guess you supported slavery and the south in the civil war. You know, self determination and all...
And you would support Mexicans living in Texas who wish to make Texas a part of Mexico...

And no, Russia doesn't want a neutral Ukraine, they just wanted All of the Ukraine, and they tried to take it just like they did Crimea.
But keep trying to claim that they are "saviors' in all of this. They are just a big bully who tried to take what they wanted.

[Thoth]

Troll level: Over 9000

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/01/a-ukrainian-officers-captured-russian-tank-wasnt-working-so-he-called-tech-support-in-russia/?sh=75d1503313a8

[Berzerker]

thats a Nazi talking point

[Uncle Sparky]

You are an idiot.

[Berzerker]

You're not answering my question. Kiev/Washington is abducting people to fight our war, we might even start forcing refugees to return. Do you support that? The people of the Donbas have the right of self-determination, given the choice between Washington and Moscow they've already spoken. They defended themselves from Obama, not Putin. I dont support Russia because they wont respect their autonomy either when this is over, not because they've been helping the Donbas defend themselves. But we're not arming Russia, we've been arming Nazis and looking the other way as they went on a rampage against Ukrainians protesting their coup.

Do you support self-determination for the people living in the Donbas? What happens if they dont want you deciding their fate? Define victory for us... Will the Nazis be put in charge of the people they've been killing for a decade? If not for that simple fact I dont think Putin cares about the land there, Russia wants a neutral Ukraine, no Azov on its border with Nato missiles minutes from Moscow. If he wanted the Donbas he wouldn't have waited 8 years only to offer Nato a last minute deal to end the war. You do understand the US has been wanting this war, right?

[N35t0r]

NATO rejected Russia's offer to have Ukraine join NATO? Yeah, that makes sense, a country should apply for itself.

[Ming]

Gee... you keep defending Russia by making it sound like they had to invade to protect Russians from the Nazi's... even after all they have done is rape and kill them.
This is a land grab, pure and simple. But feel free to keep making it sound like it was justified. It wasn't.

[Berzerker]

Ukraine has a Nazi problem, we must stop arming Azov - Jamie Raskin 2018
This talk about Nazis is Russian propaganda - Jamie Raskin 2023

[Berzerker]

You asked me if I support Russia and I said no. Do you support abducting people to fight Ukraine's war?

[Ming]

So you don't object to what Russia is doing?

[Berzerker]

No, we're not arming Russia, if we were and Russia was abducting people to fight their war I'd object... I support the people of the Donbas gaining autonomy from Washington and Moscow, sadly the war will solidify the latter's control over the region but if they wanted to be governed by Kiev they would have turned their guns on Russian soldiers in 2014 instead of defending themselves from Ukrainian right wing nationalists. You know, those white supremacists Democrats cant stop talking about as the number 1 threat? Yeah, they've been arming them for a decade all the while preaching about the evils of the people they armed. Same thing with Syria, declare war on Islamic terrorism and then arm Islamic terrorists. No shame in these people.

[Ming]

Do you support Russia Berz?

[Berzerker]

Jens said they rejected Russia's offer

I've seen videos of men being abducted off the streets to fight. Do you support that?

[N35t0r]

Nato Secy Gen Jens Stoltenberg said in the fall of '21 Putin told Nato Russia wouldn't invade if Nato didn't let Ukraine join

NATO didn't let Ukraine join and Putin invaded anyway. And you wonder why we don't believe what Putin says.

[Berzerker]

Nato Secy Gen Jens Stoltenberg said in the fall of '21 Putin told Nato Russia wouldn't invade if Nato didn't let Ukraine join