Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Dauphin]

I think he's right - Hunter Biden's bathroom or bedroom and whatever Bush supposedly did in 2014 in Crimea was terrible.

[Uncle Sparky]

Someone should post the White House meeting between Zelenskyy and the Clown... Wow... just wow.
I'm sorry Trump didn't get punched in the face.
This was an eight year old in full tantrum... Some adults needed.

[-Jrabbit]

That is pure spin.

I would call it wishful thinking, but not even Team Trump believes it.

[-Jrabbit]

Why do you think the actual sovereign nation involved should be shut out of negotiations?

[-Jrabbit]

After turning our back on NATO, the UN, Ukraine, it is laughable to think that either our "powerful allies" or "weak vassals" will come running to help the country that betrayed them.

[BeBMan]

Putin spent 8 years in an un-declared war against Ukraine after his little green men stole Crimea.

FTFY

[N35t0r]

Putin spent 8 years trying to avoid "empire" and if the west really gave a damn about democracy they'd be negotiating for an autonomous Donbas now that Minsk is dead.

That's not in line with his actions in Chechnya, Georgia, Belarus, Crimea and Donbass.

Negotiating for an autonomous Donbass would require Russian troops to leave Ukraine, which isn't something that Putin seems to want.
Also, if Russia cared about that, the time was before invading, not after. You're arguing that the allies in '39 should have tried to negotiate an autonomous Danzig corridor with Hitler rather than declaring war after he invaded Poland.

[Berzerker]

Trump wants to extort money out of Ukraine and to please his Russian masters. One of the Russians present in the US-Russia negotiations was Dmitry Rybolovlev, the oligarch who bought a Trump property in Florida valued at USD 40 million for USD 95 million back in 2008.

Anyway, if the US thinks that having a 'friendly or neutral ' Russia is worth losing Europe (and possibly Canada and Mexico) as allies is a good trade, then good for him.

Nevermind that Putin could have remained perfectly happy as a 'friend' of Europe, earning millions of Euros in gas, oil, and mineral exports, but he seems to prefer his empire over this. That's a nice friend to have.

Putin spent 8 years trying to avoid "empire" and if the west really gave a damn about democracy they'd be negotiating for an autonomous Donbas now that Minsk is dead.

[Geronimo]

There's some reporting that Trump's "friendliness" towards Russia might be an attempt to separate Russia and China.

*If that is a thing I say good luck with that. Both Russia and China are long term competitors, if not enemies of the US, with deep-rooted ideological and geostrategic diffs towards America. And Russia can't be sure what POV next US presidents will take, while China is a relatively safe bet for them.

Russia has enormous reasons to distrust China. They would want to be as close to China as possible while avoiding becoming totally dependent on them. It's easy to imagine them pretending to peel away from China (but not to China itself) if it would help restore other trade opportunities. Russia and China will never be the kinds of allies that the affluent democracies used to be but now that advantage is gone and who knows if they'll ever get it back.

[BeBMan]

There's some reporting that Trump's "friendliness" towards Russia might be an attempt to separate Russia and China.

*If that is a thing I say good luck with that. Both Russia and China are long term competitors, if not enemies of the US, with deep-rooted ideological and geostrategic diffs towards America. And Russia can't be sure what POV next US presidents will take, while China is a relatively safe bet for them.

[N35t0r]

Europe has nukes and Trump wants a friendly or neutral Russia

Trump wants to extort money out of Ukraine and to please his Russian masters. One of the Russians present in the US-Russia negotiations was Dmitry Rybolovlev, the oligarch who bought a Trump property in Florida valued at USD 40 million for USD 95 million back in 2008.

Anyway, if the US thinks that having a 'friendly or neutral ' Russia is worth losing Europe (and possibly Canada and Mexico) as allies is a good trade, then good for him.

Nevermind that Putin could have remained perfectly happy as a 'friend' of Europe, earning millions of Euros in gas, oil, and mineral exports, but he seems to prefer his empire over this. That's a nice friend to have.

[Berzerker]

Europe has nukes and Trump wants a friendly or neutral Russia

[Berzerker]

Why do you think negotiations are democratic?

[N35t0r]

Trump is making our allies think about arming themselves. If a war ever did break out the USA will need powerful allies, not several weak vassals.

Well, congratulations then. The way things are going, Europe will make sure it can stand against Russia alone, and leave the US to its own devices.

[BeBMan]

Also in the movie Star Wars the Great Republic is slowly destroyed by the evil guys from within before the Galactic Empire is established and Pal Putin takes over.