Empire of Lies and brainless zombies

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I can't say I feel too guilty about derailing a troll thread w/ hoodoo talk...

[giblets]

Speaking of brainless zombies...

Two stories in recent days show just how disheartening and frustrating it is to see Russians in complete denial about the attack on Ukraine.

The BBC’s Maria Korenyuk and Jack Goodman wrote, “Ukraine war: ‘My city’s being shelled, but mum won’t believe me.’”

In that story, a 25-year-old woman in Ukraine named Oleksandra talked about speaking with her mother, who is in Moscow.

Oleksandra said, “I didn’t want to scare my parents, but I started telling them directly that civilians and children are dying. But even though they worry about me, they still say it probably happens only by accident, that the Russian army would never target civilians. That it’s Ukrainians who’re killing their own people.”

Oleksandra believes her mother is only repeating what she hears on state-run media in Russia.

“They are just brainwashing people. And people trust them,” Oleksandra said. “My parents understand that some military action is happening here. But they say: ‘Russians came to liberate you. They won’t ruin anything, they won’t touch you. They’re only targeting military bases.’”

Meanwhile, there was a similarly troubling story in The New York Times from reporter Valerie Hopkins. Misha Katsurin, a Ukrainian restaurateur, called his father back in Russia to tell him how everything was “extremely scary.”

His father’s response was, “No, no, no, no stop.”

Katsurin said, “He started to tell me how the things in my country are going. He started to yell at me and told me, ‘Look, everything is going like this. They are Nazis.’”

His father went on to tell him that the Russian soldiers were in Ukraine to help the Ukrainians by giving them food and warm clothes.

These are just two of many examples of Ukrainian citizens who cannot convince loved ones back in Russia that they are under attack.

Katsurin told Hopkins, “I am not angry at my father — I am angry at the Kremlin. I’m angry about the Russian propaganda. I’m not angry at these people. I understand that I cannot blame them in this situation.”

Dr. Joanna Szostek, an expert in Russia and political communications at the University of Glasgow, told the BBC, “The state narrative only ever shows Russia as the good guy. Even the tales they tell about World War II, the Great Patriotic War, Russia has never really done anything wrong. And this is why they won’t believe it now.”

https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2022/russias-propaganda-machine-works-to-keep-citizens-in-the-dark/

[BeBMan]

Yeah, read similar. Afaik the older generations in Russia mostly rely on TV for info, and since it's state-controlled for years (and now even the last few independent stations are gone) that's the result.

The younger folks rather go for the internet, so are not that easy to mislead, which is why we see those in peace demos still - if they didn't leave already.

But maybe Serb will return to put that all into perspective for us

[Wezil]

I doubt we will see Serb again until/if the Russians are finished leveling the cities. He will return to declare victory.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I did suspect he was looking for a pretext to avoid the taunts about how long it was taking...

[BeBMan]

We didn't even had enough time to debate his take on zombies. IMO they're by and large pretty honest folks, want to eat you and make no secret of it. So I dunno what he meant by zombie lies

[Wezil]

I did suspect he was looking for a pretext to avoid the taunts about how long it was taking...

Its hard to find anything to brag about in the Russian motives or conduct of the war. I don't think Serb is a stupid man and he clearly has access to information most Russians do not by way of his English skills (unless of course he's running everything through an ai translator).

[ZEE]

We didn't even had enough time to debate his take on zombies. IMO they're by and large pretty honest folks, want to eat you and make no secret of it. So I dunno what he meant by zombie lies

He actually started the hoodoo threadjack too but ran off before I could properly talk to him about it. Oh well.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Let me make this observation - Russians can be inhuman on defense; nothing special, aside from brutality, on offence. Ukrainians are basically Russian.

-Putin has made a classic blunder, invading just-as-well-be-Russia in winter...

[self biased]

Ok, Uncle, you did it again. F*ck you, ******!
I don't want to belong here, where an authority can edit my posts or even better - thread titles.

F*ck f*cking you!

You either return the original titles to my threads or everyone should thank Uncle for banning Serb again.

Ты - просто мудак, который считает, что это было забавно. Да и хуй с тобой! I don't want be a part of your ugly circus, as$hole.

Two things:

Serb - your charm can only carry you so far. The next time you use a slur or otherwise directly insult another poster, you're getting a lengthy vacation to Mingapulco. I will be editing the offending posts I find.

Buster - The work that you've done to help Apolyton out is appreciated, but going forward I expect you to refrain from editing other people's posts for your own amusement.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Okay, Daaad.

[Trillion]

Is there anybody on this board who can edit my posts to make me appear smarter. I will pay you in rubles.

[ZEE]

Is there anybody on this board who can edit my posts to make me appear smarter. I will pay you in rubles.

Not to threadjack again, but I originally thought you were eyesofnight, but you are far too nice.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Buster -snip- for your own amusement.

Two quibbles:

Buster is my niece, or a swimming movie star.

My amusement is irrelevant - what Serb never admitted is that I only edited posts that were really foul. I let way more get by than I should have, but you'll find a number of Serb posts from Friday with multiple asterisks and a Last edited by Buster Crabbe's Uncle notice...

[Wezil]

I can attest to that. Serb was using some pretty foul language at times. If you hit a trigger when he was really drunk then he'd lose his mind.