Empire of Lies and brainless zombies

[ZEE]

We didn't even had enough time to debate his take on zombies. IMO they're by and large pretty honest folks, want to eat you and make no secret of it. So I dunno what he meant by zombie lies

He actually started the hoodoo threadjack too but ran off before I could properly talk to him about it. Oh well.

[Wezil]

I did suspect he was looking for a pretext to avoid the taunts about how long it was taking...

Its hard to find anything to brag about in the Russian motives or conduct of the war. I don't think Serb is a stupid man and he clearly has access to information most Russians do not by way of his English skills (unless of course he's running everything through an ai translator).

[BeBMan]

We didn't even had enough time to debate his take on zombies. IMO they're by and large pretty honest folks, want to eat you and make no secret of it. So I dunno what he meant by zombie lies

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I did suspect he was looking for a pretext to avoid the taunts about how long it was taking...

[Wezil]

I doubt we will see Serb again until/if the Russians are finished leveling the cities. He will return to declare victory.

[BeBMan]

Yeah, read similar. Afaik the older generations in Russia mostly rely on TV for info, and since it's state-controlled for years (and now even the last few independent stations are gone) that's the result.

The younger folks rather go for the internet, so are not that easy to mislead, which is why we see those in peace demos still - if they didn't leave already.

But maybe Serb will return to put that all into perspective for us

[giblets]

Speaking of brainless zombies...

Two stories in recent days show just how disheartening and frustrating it is to see Russians in complete denial about the attack on Ukraine.

The BBC’s Maria Korenyuk and Jack Goodman wrote, “Ukraine war: ‘My city’s being shelled, but mum won’t believe me.’”

In that story, a 25-year-old woman in Ukraine named Oleksandra talked about speaking with her mother, who is in Moscow.

Oleksandra said, “I didn’t want to scare my parents, but I started telling them directly that civilians and children are dying. But even though they worry about me, they still say it probably happens only by accident, that the Russian army would never target civilians. That it’s Ukrainians who’re killing their own people.”

Oleksandra believes her mother is only repeating what she hears on state-run media in Russia.

“They are just brainwashing people. And people trust them,” Oleksandra said. “My parents understand that some military action is happening here. But they say: ‘Russians came to liberate you. They won’t ruin anything, they won’t touch you. They’re only targeting military bases.’”

Meanwhile, there was a similarly troubling story in The New York Times from reporter Valerie Hopkins. Misha Katsurin, a Ukrainian restaurateur, called his father back in Russia to tell him how everything was “extremely scary.”

His father’s response was, “No, no, no, no stop.”

Katsurin said, “He started to tell me how the things in my country are going. He started to yell at me and told me, ‘Look, everything is going like this. They are Nazis.’”

His father went on to tell him that the Russian soldiers were in Ukraine to help the Ukrainians by giving them food and warm clothes.

These are just two of many examples of Ukrainian citizens who cannot convince loved ones back in Russia that they are under attack.

Katsurin told Hopkins, “I am not angry at my father — I am angry at the Kremlin. I’m angry about the Russian propaganda. I’m not angry at these people. I understand that I cannot blame them in this situation.”

Dr. Joanna Szostek, an expert in Russia and political communications at the University of Glasgow, told the BBC, “The state narrative only ever shows Russia as the good guy. Even the tales they tell about World War II, the Great Patriotic War, Russia has never really done anything wrong. And this is why they won’t believe it now.”

https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2022/russias-propaganda-machine-works-to-keep-citizens-in-the-dark/

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I can't say I feel too guilty about derailing a troll thread w/ hoodoo talk...

[ZEE]

The hoodoo discussion feels a bit thread Jack to me...

I'll gladly give the thread back to Serb, I need to meditate anyways.

[ZEE]

For those reading that think that I have finally lost the last marble that I had, The Jewish belief in Prophets is that anybody can be a Prophet at any time. You must live your life with the EXPECTATION that you will be called to serve God.

I do the same, but with the other side.

[Geronimo]

The hoodoo discussion feels a bit thread Jack to me...

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

...This sounds suspiciously like it might be the sin of Judas...

[ZEE]

Also one last thing about Enki, He took the humans side during Enlil's flood, if I am right and he is Jesus he took humans side again by dying for the sins, and if the end times happen I cannot take the chance that he will take the humans side once again. He's too dangerous, I can't chance him influencing me.

I roll with the bad guys, remember.

[ZEE]

I could just talk to Enki finally, but TBH I have not gone down that road for fear of Pruflas being mischievous pretending to be him and me running with bad information. He is a trickster spirit, like Loki. In fact if he WASN'T a trickster this would have not worked.

Some things are not meant to be known for me, Jesus among them.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I could usually get the Wiccans to concede the point pretty easily. They usually had Jesus mixed up with their dads, deep down -amazing how many were preachers' kids- but could be argued around to admitting that his teachings were pretty enlightened.