Delta mutation

[Proteus_MST]

I thought he had a battle against King Porus at the Hydaspes River and then returned to Babylon because his men were growing mutinous and did not wat to participate in his egotistical quest to keep conquering things.

That Alexandrs favorite horse was killed during the battle might also have something to do with his return

[Berzerker]

Bottomline: if you had pfizer or moderna you'll be fine. If you had astrazeneca you'll be fine too. If you have neither say hello to st peter, sooner or later, and that's a sad fact.

I thought fatality rates were ~1% or less and older people were driving that

[Bereta_Eder]

The fatality rate was way bigger than 1% with the original coronavirus.
Now, with a 200% total increase in transmission rate and fluctuations in fatality through all the mutations, the death rate is far larger still.

And even if you survive (you simply have a bit smaller chance of duying if you're healthy and young), it can leave you with severe handicaps that you will have for the rest of your life.

The alternative is simply get pricked twice for free.

What kind of moron would choose the first option?

[Bereta_Eder]

But I don't want to be accused of fear mongering.
Indeed the death rates are not mind boggling like other viruses.

But if you prefer to risk it, it is like playing russian roulette. Yes there are many more empty bullet sockets, but there still is one socket which is loaded.... and you defintely could get "lucky", nomatter your age or state of health

[Berzerker]

The vaccine wasn't intended to eradicate, on)y to lessen symptoms.

bad news for Pfizer customers

"a study released by Israel’s health ministry has revealed. Data collected over the past month suggest the vaccine is 64 per cent effective at halting infection among those who are fully inoculated, the ministry has found."

but like you said, it still lessons the severity of the bug so even people who got the Pfizer shot will most likely benefit even if they do get delta.

[Dinner]

The fatality rate was way bigger than 1% with the original coronavirus.
Now, with a 200% total increase in transmission rate and fluctuations in fatality through all the mutations, the death rate is far larger still.

And even if you survive (you simply have a bit smaller chance of duying if you're healthy and young), it can leave you with severe handicaps that you will have for the rest of your life.

The alternative is simply get pricked twice for free.

What kind of moron would choose the first option?

The last data I saw showed the death rate was 0.3-0.1. 99.7% survival rate and they even said that was probably to high an estimate as there are so many unknown and unreported cases which were mild and so never got entered into hospital data.

[Berzerker]

bad news for Pfizer customers

"a study released by Israel’s health ministry has revealed. Data collected over the past month suggest the vaccine is 64 per cent effective at halting infection among those who are fully inoculated, the ministry has found."

but like you said, it still lessons the severity of the bug so even people who got the Pfizer shot will most likely benefit even if they do get delta.

from Bloomberg about Pfizer in Israel

"Despite the indications of increased infections, the data also showed the shot is protecting people from severe illness. Its effectiveness at preventing hospitalization fell to 93%, according to the Health Ministry, compared with at least 97% in an earlier government study."

[Dinner]

Pfeizer is working on a booster shot.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html

[ricketyclik]

It looks like the Delta strain may defeat Australia's hitherto successful strategy of contact tracing and lockdowns.

[Dinner]

Honestly, it was only a matter of time. No one can keep it up forever without making any mistakes.

[ricketyclik]

Hopefully we can still avoid our hospitals being overrun.

[Egbert]

It looks like the Delta strain may defeat Australia's hitherto successful strategy of contact tracing and lockdowns.

I fear that our success so far may have been due more to dumb luck than some grand strategy.

Ordering nowhere near enough vaccines with the goal of vaccinating everyone is not the finest strategy in the history of humanity.

[ricketyclik]

There was luck in our geography - most nations with successful records of suppression are islands - but along with that came manageable numbers which the contact tracers could keep up with (Victoria, admittedly, was late to that party, but they got there). The rapid infectiousness of the Delta strain is too much for the tracers to keep up with, methinks.

[ricketyclik]

On the vaccination front, yes, the Feds fvcked that up royally, but the UK, with very high rates of vaccination, is now seeing record infection rates, so although better rates would have slowed things down, they wouldn't - and probably will never be - a silver bullet.