What comes after Trump?

[Ming]

Again... Lancer is just trolling and having Fun. Kid actually believes all the lies and BS.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

No - Lance believes and both are also trolling.

[Dauphin]

The person that doesn't watch it.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

EPW, "only one is insane" assumes facts not in evidence.

[EPW]

Dauphin
buster

[Kidlicious]

Of course I'm trolling because Big Brother is so good.

[Uncle Sparky]

Joe Biden said Trump left him an envelope with a 'generous' note... a BOGO coupon for two taco bowls from the Trump Tower Grill...
Hey, they are both over 70, restaurant coupons are gold!

[Dinner]

It looks like the governor of Florida wants to be the 2024 Republican nominee.

[Berzerker]

I forgot about him, he's in the mix

[Uncle Sparky]

Wow! President Biden was mad at someone today. And he agreed/disagreed with that editorial/commentator. And he thought something was poorly done/ or well done. And he ate something he liked. And he had a political thought. And he heard something classified. And he had a confidential conversation.

And we didn't have 50 tweets about his myopic view of what happened.

[Berzerker]

You think a permanent populist realignment? But Trump didn't pursue populist policies... he was more monarchial than populist.

JM

Thats possible, if we get a 3rd party it will be anti-establishment and populist and garner support from both left and right. Ross Perot led a populist movement back in the 90s and Pat Buchanan and Trump competed to lead his Reform Party when Perot called it quits after the '96 election.

The populist base (of both parties) agree on certain issues, immigration, trade, and wars. Ofc there are people on the left and right who want more open borders but the labor part of both bases oppose that. I didn't know this at the time but Cesar Chavez was very much opposed to illegal immigration. He saw it as corporations importing cheap labor to undercut Americans and strikers. He wanted Trump's wall, he wanted to seal the border.

And if I were to describe both bases on trade, I'd say its a mix of protectionists (like with immigration) and fair traders as opposed to free traders. I generally support free trade but I dont like it when our competitors tax our goods more than we tax theirs. I understand the Cold War necessitated favorable trade deals for current and future friends but we still use trade as an inducement. And the 3rd leg is war. If you look at Trump and Sanders they agreed more or less on all 3 issues.

As for Trump being monarchical, he was on trade. I dont think the President has or should have the power to redo trade deals already enacted by law. But he used some loophole written into the law - something about natl security exceptions - to bypass Congress. Other than that he's been largely hands off, which is ironic given how some people blame covid entirely on him as if he micromanages 50 states. It was governors and local officials in charge of responding to covid, all the President can do is help with supplies and restrict international travel.

[Jon Miller]

He was monarchial on what he thought his power should be and how much oversight congress should have. He didn't actually care much about governing, so he was a hands off in that way.

I recently read about Bonapartism. I think it fits well.

JM

[Egbert]

Of course Trump wants diversity in his cabinet. He will hve
- daughter
- son
- son in law
- duaghter in law

[Uncle Sparky]

Trump would not have his niece in his cabinet... she was a liar from a family of liars.

[Egbert]

Not that niece. Perhaps he has other nieces, and nephews?

[Dinner]

Thats possible, if we get a 3rd party it will be anti-establishment and populist and garner support from both left and right. Ross Perot led a populist movement back in the 90s and Pat Buchanan and Trump competed to lead his Reform Party when Perot called it quits after the '96 election.

The populist base (of both parties) agree on certain issues, immigration, trade, and wars. Ofc there are people on the left and right who want more open borders but the labor part of both bases oppose that. I didn't know this at the time but Cesar Chavez was very much opposed to illegal immigration. He saw it as corporations importing cheap labor to undercut Americans and strikers. He wanted Trump's wall, he wanted to seal the border.

And if I were to describe both bases on trade, I'd say its a mix of protectionists (like with immigration) and fair traders as opposed to free traders. I generally support free trade but I dont like it when our competitors tax our goods more than we tax theirs. I understand the Cold War necessitated favorable trade deals for current and future friends but we still use trade as an inducement. And the 3rd leg is war. If you look at Trump and Sanders they agreed more or less on all 3 issues.

As for Trump being monarchical, he was on trade. I dont think the President has or should have the power to redo trade deals already enacted by law. But he used some loophole written into the law - something about natl security exceptions - to bypass Congress. Other than that he's been largely hands off, which is ironic given how some people blame covid entirely on him as if he micromanages 50 states. It was governors and local officials in charge of responding to covid, all the President can do is help with supplies and restrict international travel.

Very well said.

[BeBMan]

After Trump, for Rudy it's a new lawsuit:

Election technology company Dominion sues Giuliani for $1.3 billion over 'Big Lie' about election fraud

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/dominion-lawsuit-giuliani/index.html

BigTech at it again

(no idea if Dominon counts as BigTech, but it sounds way more sexy if you are a victim of BigTech than of SmallTech, for example)

[Jon Miller]

Very well said.

I do think that Trump has done something to discredit populism. I don't see many left leaning populists joining a right-wing populists movement. And even some of my right-wing populist friends are very turned off by other right-wing populists due to Trump.

JM

[Dinner]

Americans are very used to binary thinking but when you speak to them or poll them they are all over the place when it comes to actual policy positions. I do believe there are many issues which can appeal to both the left and the right and the traditional party elites are afraid of losing control over framing. That said, third parties never go any where in the US as the system truly is set up to marginalize and exclude them so it will have to be a ground swell of public support which takes over one of the traditional parties via the primary process. It is easier to do that in the Republican party as it doesn't have super delegates who can and do rig the game like in the Democratic Party.

Issues like limiting low skilled immigration (while actually increasing high skilled immigration) via a points system in order to raise wages for blue collar workers would be a popular cross party issue. Preventing unfair trade agreements which are not reciprocal or which allow a country like China to subsidize its industries where we are not allowed would be popular. Taking an anti-war stance where the elites of both parties always want to keep the military industrial complex fed with giant taxpayer funded contracts would be popular. Ending corrupt election finance systems and pushing for term limits are also areas where populism can get a broad coalition. Hell, restoring the fairness doctrine and eliminating biased "news outlets" which are little better than propaganda outlets would also be both popular and good for society as a whole.

It would have to be someone charismatic and not with Trump's bad personality but it could be done.. That person would have to be both rich and famous in order to break into politics though.

[Jon Miller]

I know a lot of people who were open who got turned off by Trump's horribleness. The fact that he was embraced by the majority of right-wing Populists takes them away as future allies for those who would have been open.

JM

[Uncle Sparky]

[giblets]

Isn't it already more difficult to get in if you don't have any special skills?