What comes after Trump?

[Gertrude]

Trump leaves office today after four years in office.

My take is that he was just another President who was not effective and changed nothing. I see as a symptom of a deep malaise in America. He seems to have tapped some deep concerns which he rode to election. Given that he was not effective his supporters seem likely to turn elsewhere so perhaps some new leader or organisation will emerge that is effective in changing America.

The question is who or what will take this leadership role and where will they lead America? Allied with this is the question they will assume leadership whether the process be democratic or revolutionary. I mean who inherits his support base. I am aware Biden has been elected.

Mt opinion, from my armchair across the oceans, is that America is ripe for renovation of politics or perhaps even a revolution.

Your thoughts?

[Jon Miller]

I don't entirely understand Trumpism yet, despite trying to for 4 years now. It isn't just populism, it isn't just a response to the embrace of identity politics by the Democrats (still happening), it isn't that Trump is for anything. Many Trumpists view their support and belief in quasi-religious terms, and basically openly support a Trump monarchy (DJT in 2024, then the kids after him). My understanding of the attraction of monarchy was about tradition or some great competence, and Trump has neither.

There is a push to populism. Biden will improve things, but I don't think that populism will die. I know that one thing I have learned from Trump is that I don't trust populism so much, but I don't think everyone has learned the same thing or that populism is going to die now.

Populism its now split heavily into left and right components, and they hate each other. I don't see them cooperating for a revolution and I think that both are too strong (as well as the establishment and elite groups) to push us there. But that is right now, if the right doesn't change paths and the left populists get more frustrated with Biden....

JM

[BeBMan]

Short answer: Biden

[Ming]

Short Answer: Dignity and Sanity

[Thoth]

I'm sure Biden will be right on top of ensuring that women and minorities are equally represented among the ranks of ICE cops

[Uncle Sparky]

Soft announcement of a '5 years to citizenship' plan for 'dreamers' and gainfully employed illegals. Mar-a-Lago may have American citizens as the majority of the staff.

[Gertrude]

Short Answer: Dignity and Sanity

You must be feeling optimistic.

Yje people who voted for Trump will support somebody in 2024 nd who knows who that will be or what they stand for.

[BeBMan]

Biden would do well if he "only" gets the pandemic under control and the economy going again. What in 24?

The divisions will not quickly go away but hopefully Trumpocracy with someone like him at the top remains an episode.

More than hopes, fears and guesses seems kinda out of reach currently... /cts.

[giblets]

Kanye runs in 2024

[Berzerker]

He tried to deal with China on trade and their economic malfeasance. He reduced our military foot print in Syria and Afghanistan and stopped arming terrorists (but not Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen). We'll have to wait and see if Biden finds reasons to reverse course. Of all the things a President can do, foreign policy is where most of their power resides and Trump didn't start any new wars that I know of, so he's better than Bush and Obama (and Clinton and Biden). He pushed thru the 1st step act reforming Biden's drug war too, very important to me as well.

Who will take up the mantle? I see 2 rising stars in the GOP, Josh Hawley and Tucker Carlson. Hawley will get the capitol riot hung around his neck and Tucker has an extensive record of public statements to throw back at him. Tom Cotton is a possibility if Hawley falls from grace. Their are 2 GOP women in line for greater national prominence - Nikki Haley and Kristi Noem (Guv-SD). Haley starts out with the edge but Noem will compete. Overall Haley may be the favorite at this point. Her problem is she's too establishment, Trump's base is more populist.

[Uncle Sparky]

What comes after Trump?

According to Webster's - trumpery. (You should look it up!)

[Jon Miller]

Trump's base is more populist.

You think a permanent populist realignment? But Trump didn't pursue populist policies... he was more monarchial than populist.

JM

[Kidlicious]

I don't entirely understand Trumpism yet, despite trying to for 4 years now. It isn't just populism, it isn't just a response to the embrace of identity politics by the Democrats (still happening), it isn't that Trump is for anything. Many Trumpists view their support and belief in quasi-religious terms, and basically openly support a Trump monarchy (DJT in 2024, then the kids after him). My understanding of the attraction of monarchy was about tradition or some great competence, and Trump has neither.

There is a push to populism. Biden will improve things, but I don't think that populism will die. I know that one thing I have learned from Trump is that I don't trust populism so much, but I don't think everyone has learned the same thing or that populism is going to die now.

Populism its now split heavily into left and right components, and they hate each other. I don't see them cooperating for a revolution and I think that both are too strong (as well as the establishment and elite groups) to push us there. But that is right now, if the right doesn't change paths and the left populists get more frustrated with Biden....

JM

"Trumpism" is made up bull**** you all talk about. We're populists.

[BeBMan]

... as Mike Pence found out.

[Ming]

"Trumpism" is full of BS and we post whatever our masters tell us to. We're cult members.

FIFY

[pchang]

Increasing cognitive dissonance for Kidiot and Lancer.