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murder relies on intent and if I was justifying Chauvin's actions I wouldn't call it negligent homicide
if it was so obviously public doesn't that suggest the intent was not murder but submitting an unruly suspect?
someone under the influence of dangerous drugs violently engaging with cops while handcuffed who says he cant breathe - all of that before Chauvin pinned him down.
Chauvin's crime was not repositioning Floyd once he settled down, thats negligence.
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Floyd said he could not breathe however I suggest he has no credibility and could reasonably wonder if he was merely saying that to get the requisite leeway to attempt an escape. I am thus agreeing with Berzerker that this could be described as a negligent homicide.
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Floyd said he couldn't breathe long before Chauvin pinned him to the ground so he may have been suffering a heart attack or handcuffing his arms behind him followed by Chauvin pinning him to the ground caused positional asphyxiation. The cops had a helluva struggle with Floyd trying to get him in the car, when that failed Chauvin pinned him to the ground until he settled down... and died. Negligent homicide, not murder and not racism. If a white dude was behaving like that he would have gotten the same treatment.
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Oh I dont think most Democrats or the BLM cofounder who got rich care about George Floyd. Black men killed by cops peaked under Obama, the rate had been declining under Trump. This systemic racism charge is hypocritical BS, Biden wrote the damn crime bills that led us down this path. Thats where the systemic racism is, not with the cops enforcing Biden's laws. Guess how many unarmed and innocent black people were killed by cops in 2019, a dozen or less maybe. Given how many violent crimes are committed in black communities we should expect more mistakes.
These are guestimates but about 30% of homicides are committed primarily by black men and they make up about 30% of death by cops. But the people accusing the cops of systemic racism look only at the 2nd stat. This was the Democrat's strategy, terrorize people into voting against Trump. It worked... and MAGA made the mistake of thinking they could riot too and be treated the same. Silly white boys.
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I remember plenty of protesters calling for the deaths of cops... and cops have been getting assassinated, so a 'hang Mike Pence' chant is par for the course with rioters. Trump's inauguration was attacked and the Democrats were calling for his impeachment from the start even using a fraudulently obtained warrant to spy on him before and after the election.
And then a few months before the election BLM started hosting riots to help Biden win. The Democrats spent 4 years trying to overturn an election and their allies went around destroying neighborhoods to get their way.
BLM 500 MAGA 1
I know which is worse
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so mings idea is yet another garbage thread. more work for you i guess...
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(spectrum of ACCURACY):: resignation forces a discussion on the budget of any impeachment in ratio to LIKELIHOOD the THOUSAND YEAR meich make it
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In other other news the question is, if - after the resignation of Andrew Cuomo from his gov post - Prince Andrew will also resign from being prince
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I thought Floyd had been subdued as I do not see how one could put a knee on the neck of somebody who had not been subdued. I also imagine that the procedure would be to take him to the station, toss him in the cells to cool down and charge him with resisting arrest and failure to comply with lawful directions from police. I accept that the courts presumably found good reason to convict Chauvin of murder and that excessive force was used.
My view is that although Floyd was a bad person he ought not to have been killed. Surely if the police had handcuffed him they could get him to the station and into the cells alive.
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I didn't know Chauvin was on drugs at the time.... and the other cops at the murder didn't allow any of the witnesses to try to subdue the violent criminal. And technically, Chauvin had never been convicted prior to Floyd's murder, so while he had a long record of violence, wasn't a criminal at the time.Last edited by Uncle Sparky; August 11, 2021, 09:41.
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