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[BeBMan]

Cuttlefish remember details of their last meal, study finds

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/18/cuttlefish-remember-details-of-their-last-meal-study-finds

[Uncle Sparky]

Tricky for the Afghani boat people to escape...

[Egbert]

In other news, the President of Afghanistan has left the country and the Taliban are moving into Kabul. Taliban soldiers have been seen on the streets of abul.

That was an incredibly fast takeover of Afghanistan.

[-Jrabbit]

From your own link:

>>Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida's medical examiners commission, who is not affiliated with the case, reviewed the new files and says that doesn't mean the drugs or health condition is what caused Floyd's death. "We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something."

>>The FBI asked the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to review Baker's autopsy and they agreed with his findings, writing "his death was caused by the police subdual and restraint with cardiovascular disease and drug intoxication contributing."

[-Jrabbit]

Facts not in evidence during a crime do not excuse it.

At least Derek Chauvin got his day in court. There were over 40 eyewitnesses. Expert witnesses testified that Mr Floyd died from a lack of oxygen due to the manner of restraint employed by Chauvin and his colleagues. Chauvin himself chose not to testify, invoking his right to not incriminate himself.

A jury of his peers found Chauvin guilty of 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter. That means, by definition, it was murder.
About a month ago, he was sentenced to 22.5 years in prison.

[Dinner]

I call bull ****. "Fatal levels of fantasy in his blood" but then claiming that didn't kill him? All while the official autopsy says now signs of strangulation? Yeah, politics and political pressure was at play on that one.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/ar-BB18pb0p

[giblets]

Two autopsies both find George Floyd died by homicide, but differ on some key details

By Erin Donaghue
June 4, 2020 / 10:15 AM / CBS News

George Floyd, the Minnesota man who died after an officer arresting him pressed his knee onto his neck, died by homicide, according to the results of two autopsies released on Monday — one by the county medical examiner and the other by independent pathologists commissioned by Floyd's family. But the two autopsy reports differed on exactly how the man died.

Dr. Allecia Wilson, one of the pathologists who conducted the independent autopsy, said Monday afternoon that Floyd died as a result of mechanical asphyxiation.

But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." The manner of death was ruled homicide, but the office noted that "is not a legal determination of culpability or intent." A preliminary autopsy report cited earlier by prosecutors said the county medical examiner's review "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Floyd's death has led to widespread outrage, protests and unrest across the nation. The Minneapolis officer seen kneeling on Floyd's neck, Derek Chauvin, was charged last week with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

The independent autopsy was conducted by Wilson and Dr. Michael Baden. Baden is the former chief medical examiner of New York City, and was also hired in 2014 to conduct the autopsy of Eric Garner, a black man who died when an NYPD officer used a banned chokehold during his arrest. Both Garner and Floyd pleaded with officers that they couldn't breathe before their deaths seen on disturbing videos, and "I can't breathe" has become a rallying cry among those protesting police brutality.

Baden said Floyd died as a result of compression on his neck and back from the officer, which interfered with blood flow and his breathing.

"George died because he needed a breath," said Ben Crump, a lawyer representing Floyd's family. "He needed a breath of air."

The Hennepin County medical examiner's office, however, said Floyd experienced cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by the officer. The county autopsy said Floyd had "other significant conditions" including "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; [and] recent methamphetamine use." The office had not previously released the findings pending toxicology reports.

But Baden said the further testing wouldn't reveal evidence of compressive pressure on Floyd's neck and back since the pressure would have been released when it was no longer applied. He said large areas of scrapes and abrasions on Floyd's face indicated the force that was used to press him into the ground.

Baden also said that he could find no underlying conditions that contributed to Floyd's death, saying he was in good health. In a criminal complaint, Hennepin County prosecutors said Chauvin "had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was "non-responsive." Crump said Floyd's death was the result of that sustained pressure to his neck and the pressure on Floyd's back from other officers holding him down.

"What those officers did, as we have seen on the video, is his cause of death — not some underlying, unknown health condition," Crump said. "George Floyd was a healthy young man."

Crump said Floyd died on the scene.

"The ambulance was his hearse," Crump said.

Crump said the family understands the "righteous anger" of protesters and said they support the people who want to work towards change, but he called the violence "unacceptable." He encouraged the community to "take a breath for justice, take a breath for peace, take a breath for our country, but more importantly, take a breath for George, since he didn't get the opportunity to take a breath."

Another lawyer representing Floyd's family, Antonio Romanucci, said the three other officers involved are also criminally responsible for Floyd's death. All have been fired, but none of the others have been charged. He called those officers "shameless" and said they had every opportunity to prevent Floyd's death, knowing that restricting his airway could kill him. The family has called for those officers to be charged, and for Chauvin to face first-degree — rather than third-degree — murder charges.

Romanucci also blasted the Minneapolis police department for what he described as a failure to properly train officers about chokeholds and restraint.

"This was a brutal and public display of an eight-minute prolonged death," Romanucci said. "This was the lowest level of human respect and dignity that any community should ever have to endure. What this really was was the weight of the Minneapolis police department on George's neck."

The Minneapolis police department has not responded to requests from CBS News for information about its training.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/

While one of the autopsies did cite fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use as "other significant conditions", it did not claim he had an overdose. Dinner is always wrong.

[Dinner]

There jrabbit goes lying again. Funny how he thinks he knows more than the actual doctor who did the autopsy. Flyodd died of a drug over dose because he swallowed his stash. He had done that twice before.

[Dinner]

Flyodd died of a drug over dose. It is shocking how many ignorant people still don't know that.

[Berzerker]

murder relies on intent and if I was justifying Chauvin's actions I wouldn't call it negligent homicide

if it was so obviously public doesn't that suggest the intent was not murder but submitting an unruly suspect?

someone under the influence of dangerous drugs violently engaging with cops while handcuffed who says he cant breathe - all of that before Chauvin pinned him down.

Chauvin's crime was not repositioning Floyd once he settled down, thats negligence.

[-Jrabbit]

The positional asphyxiation was entirely intentional and took place over 9 minutes.

Your continuing insistence on trying find some way to justify this obvious public murder are concerning.

[Egbert]

Floyd said he could not breathe however I suggest he has no credibility and could reasonably wonder if he was merely saying that to get the requisite leeway to attempt an escape. I am thus agreeing with Berzerker that this could be described as a negligent homicide.

[Berzerker]

Floyd said he couldn't breathe long before Chauvin pinned him to the ground so he may have been suffering a heart attack or handcuffing his arms behind him followed by Chauvin pinning him to the ground caused positional asphyxiation. The cops had a helluva struggle with Floyd trying to get him in the car, when that failed Chauvin pinned him to the ground until he settled down... and died. Negligent homicide, not murder and not racism. If a white dude was behaving like that he would have gotten the same treatment.

[Berzerker]

Oh I dont think most Democrats or the BLM cofounder who got rich care about George Floyd. Black men killed by cops peaked under Obama, the rate had been declining under Trump. This systemic racism charge is hypocritical BS, Biden wrote the damn crime bills that led us down this path. Thats where the systemic racism is, not with the cops enforcing Biden's laws. Guess how many unarmed and innocent black people were killed by cops in 2019, a dozen or less maybe. Given how many violent crimes are committed in black communities we should expect more mistakes.

These are guestimates but about 30% of homicides are committed primarily by black men and they make up about 30% of death by cops. But the people accusing the cops of systemic racism look only at the 2nd stat. This was the Democrat's strategy, terrorize people into voting against Trump. It worked... and MAGA made the mistake of thinking they could riot too and be treated the same. Silly white boys.

[Berzerker]

I remember plenty of protesters calling for the deaths of cops... and cops have been getting assassinated, so a 'hang Mike Pence' chant is par for the course with rioters. Trump's inauguration was attacked and the Democrats were calling for his impeachment from the start even using a fraudulently obtained warrant to spy on him before and after the election.

And then a few months before the election BLM started hosting riots to help Biden win. The Democrats spent 4 years trying to overturn an election and their allies went around destroying neighborhoods to get their way.

BLM 500 MAGA 1

I know which is worse