Newly released documents maybe evidence of "insurance policy."

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Most Americans disagree with you. ?? yeah im sure there are polls out there that swing both ways.

but enough voters got trump a EC win. Most Americans agree on that!

but lets all cry for 4 years. while we do nothing. nothing but try and screw the other side. all just because they won.

[Kidlicious]

Yep... without even an actual trial. Spineless Republicans. They were AFRAID to allow actual witnesses because it would have shed light on their sham lack of a trial. It's in the history books for all to see and make up their own minds.
And the majority of people disagree with you.

Again, the guy that swore that he saw evidence of collusion in classified documents headed up impeachment. It's no wonder that it was a failure. The Democrats are crooked as hell, everyone of them lying devils.

[Ming]

Most Americans disagree with you. ?? yeah im sure there are polls out there that swing both ways.

I sure didn't see any polls that supported your view. I'm sure you might find one or two that were either totally biased or only done against republicans, but every mainstream poll I saw from a respectable research company disagree with you.
And Yes, Trump won. Never said he didn't.

But the current sad state of affairs in the US has happened under Trump. And that's a fact as well.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

yeah nothing like this happened under obama... ferguson (michael brown), trayvon martin, kimani gray, eric garner, sylville smith... the list, as you put it ming, goes on and on.

yeah, things were so perfect under obama.

again, selective memory.

[Ming]

Not selective at all.
Those things happened... Fact
The country is in terrible shape under Trump.. FACT
Guessing on whether things will be worse under Biden... OPINION. and not one held by the majority of Americans based on polling data. And that's a FACT

[My Wife Hates CIV]

just 1 correction:
The country has been in terrible shape under Obama/Trump.. FACT

[My Wife Hates CIV]

..... knowing that Polling Data is often wrong. FACT

Now I agree with you.

[Ming]

just 1 correction:
The country has been in terrible shape under Obama/Trump.. FACT

Yep... things weren't perfect or great under Obama... But it is still my opinion that they are worse under Trump.
And that is mostly due to Covid. We can all disagree on the job Trump has done, but in my opinion, he blew it. And regardless of that, the country is in serious trouble at the moment.

And yeah... polls can be wrong. FACT
However, when more polls agree, it's certainly a better indication
But then again, Trump was a loser in 2016 based on most polls... so point made.

[Kidlicious]

Now we know that U.S. intelligence knew that Hillary made up the collusion hoax, and Obama knew.

The American people could have been spared all of this,, but I guess none of these people gave af.

"S. intelligence developed evidence from Russia in summer 2016 that Hillary Clinton had personally approved a plan to concoct the Russia collusion narrative in an effort to harm Donald Trump and distract from her email scandal, according to an explosive document made public Tuesday by the Director of National Intelligence.

U.S. officials became so concerned by the Clinton campaign's conduct that they referred the matter to the FBI for investigation, well before the election and before the bureau pursued the concocted story as grounds for getting FISA warrants targeting the Trump campaign and adviser Carter Page, DNI John Ratcliffe's letter shows.

"In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee," Ratcliffe wrote Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Lindsey Graham. "The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication."
"

[Kidlicious]

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/us-intel-referred-clinton-campaign-fbi-alleging-it

[Ming]

You did read the last line right... You know, the one that says that this might all be BS.
""The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication."

[Kidlicious]

You did read the last line right... You know, the one that says that this might all be BS.
""The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication."

The point is that Trump told Comey to make a public statement saying that the dossier was fake and he refused.

[Ming]

My post was in regards to the long winded story full of BS... which included it's own disclaimer at the end saying they had no clue whether it was true or not.

[Kidlicious]

My post was in regards to the long winded story full of BS... which included it's own disclaimer at the end saying they had no clue whether it was true or not.

It's unverified. What I want to know is did they investigate this, and what did the investigation turn up.

[Ming]

It's unverified.

Pretty much sums it all up.

[Kidlicious]

You're missing an important point. They investigated the Trump campaign for collusion with unverified information that HRC started the rumor. So this should have been investigated.