Kapo

[Bereta_Eder]

the way you are level headed, well informed and objective, yes

[Dinner]

Also Dinner and pchang is kapos. And here's why. they are not non jews. None of us are. Yet they behave exactly like the nazis guards. Get it? Try. It's easy

Ok, please tell me how I am a Nazi.

[Bereta_Eder]

You are a nazi because you lack compassion. Seriously, it's not because you're racist or uneducated or autistically stuck to your prejudisms. It's simply because you lack compassion. You don't care if people suffer, you care about being proven right. That's also why people like Serb are better than you. note though, I'm talking about general judgements on generla people and sistuations not on an indivindual level, there you are ok like most people are.

[Dinner]

I am quite compassionate though I admit I do not suffer fools gladly. I also draw the line at the idea that you are never supposed to judge or ask hard questions in the name of empathy or compasion.

For instance, on another forum, I was told I was just so mean and lacking in empathy in a thread about transexuality. My position was/is let adults do what ever they want but decisions about "treatments" and what is covered by insurance must be guided by the best available science. The claim one transexual put forward was that trans people have sky high suicide rates (20 times higher than average, which is true) therefore "transitioning surgery" should be covered by insurance. The problem is the 10 year post transitioning suicide rate by trans people is still 19.1 times the average and around 1/3rd change their mind and want to transition back but truly cannot as their bodies have been so damaged by the optional surgury.

So the question is if the optional and extremely expensive surgury (which costs hundreds of thousands of dollars) doesn't appreciably solve the stated problem (massively elevated rates of self harming by supposedly trans people) then why are we doing it again? This isn't just me, this was the conclusion of the Obama administration in 2016.

Yet we had the same idiots claiming how dare you use facts and logic when feelings are all that should matter. I am a scientist, I work as a scientist, facts and logic are the only sound basis for decision making and people's feelings shouldn't enter into such decision making. Either the "treatment" has been proven to positively change the problem or it has not.

[Bereta_Eder]

That's not what happens. You want those not sharing your interpreatation of things crushed. It's only logical they will crush you.

[Bereta_Eder]

again you edited, I'll read it maybe but a bit later

[Bereta_Eder]

I read it. I don't give a flying freck about trans people. They want to get the surgery or whatever? fine. will it make it things better for them? maybe. will it not? they decide. I am willing to share the burden of an expensive surgery because a) people like that are a tiny minority b) the cost is tiny when spread out on the larger population. So we would I again waste 2 more seconds thinking about it? I do now though that people in difficult situations don't particularly appreciate someone telling them waht to do. When Greece was udner a crisis you didn't seem to care what people went through. Just that since we are not doing whet you thought was right, then it WAS RIGHT to suffer. That's completely insande. That's nazi

[Bereta_Eder]

maynbe talk about how san diego was a paradisde and now is a slum? Talk about things you know, then maybe you'll lose the nick name "wrong in everything". Also let your mind explore avenues you weren't thinking existed. And lastly, be mellow. Look at me? Mellow. Don't be absolut in your opinions because that's what they are and take an easy approach to things. A compassionate one. Act like you're walking or thin ice when talking about hings you are not 100% sure of. That's a start

[Dinner]

That's not what happens. You want those not sharing your interpreatation of things crushed. It's only logical they will crush you.

No, I don't want people crushed, Paiktis. I can and do oppose people in debates without actually wanting any harm to come to them. Believe it or not I am actually unhappy when bad things happen to people in real life even if I have disagreements with them about policy. For example, on the same forum I spoke about earlier their was a poster named El Chup, he was a very well educated British barrister but also highly opinionated and more than a little arrogant. I, and most other people on that board frequently butted heads with him but he was at least an honest debate partner (most of the time) and I certainly wouldn't have minded going for a beer with him. Sadly, last month he took his own life, he had a history of depression and over the last two years his private law practice had to shut down and he apparently had financial problems (though he did not tell any of us about that). The last we heard his mother posted on his Facebook account that he had passed and the evidence pointed towards suicide.

Now, the guy certainly could be arrogant and vindictive but that wasn't the whole picture of his life. He also had many good traits and I certainly would not have wished I'll upon him or reveled in his difficulties. I do wish he had confided in someone so maybe he wouldn't have felt so hopeless without a way out. I do feel a little guilty that I didn't recognize the signs though I take a little comfort in the fact that no one else did either not even his own family. I is indeed possible to disagree with people yet not want bad things to happen to them in real life.

[Dinner]

No, you spoke about people not countries. You also like to make blanket statements and not take into account differentiating and temproary circumstances. That's ok though. I'm sure california has gone bankrupt more times than Greece has, let alone Germany. Look it up. I still don't think we are better than you. That's completely idiotic. About yor racial prejudisms. These are well known. What's sad is your complete incapacity in acknowledging them. At least when I made a outrageous comment I know full well it's tongue in cheek

California has never been bankrupt and is not any where near bankruptcy. A decade or so back we did have a problem with some Republican politicians who refused to do their jobs and who shut down the government having temper tantrums but we quickly voted those idiots out and have run surpluses ever since. Governor Brown has been excellent making sure surpluses are maintained, savings kept as cash on hand, and very strong (strongest in the developed world) growth rates are maintained.

[Dinner]

I read it. I don't give a flying freck about trans people. They want to get the surgery or whatever? fine. will it make it things better for them? maybe. will it not? they decide. I am willing to share the burden of an expensive surgery because a) people like that are a tiny minority b) the cost is tiny when spread out on the larger population. So we would I again waste 2 more seconds thinking about it? I do now though that people in difficult situations don't particularly appreciate someone telling them waht to do. When Greece was udner a crisis you didn't seem to care what people went through. Just that since we are not doing whet you thought was right, then it WAS RIGHT to suffer. That's completely insande. That's nazi

When Greece was in economic distress the proper course of action was abundantly clear to anyone of sound mind. That people did not want to take the corrective action, that they wanted to live in a fantasy world thinking they did not have to take the necessary action, well, that did not concern me in the slightest. The fact was they were bankrupt, no one would lend them any more money; so their desire to ignore the problem and wish it was not so did not matter. Not in the least. There is only what they had to do and nothing else. Refusing to do what they had to do would not change that reality.

You can lie and pretend that is a lack of compassion but I would say not helping those poor deluded souls back towards the hard reality of the situation is the real lack of compassion. It was time to pay the piper even if they preferred not to do so and that meant not spending money they did not have and which no one would lend them. Hell, the Greeks STILL haven't done half the needed reforms. It is an abomination.

[Dinner]

maynbe talk about how san diego was a paradisde and now is a slum? Talk about things you know, then maybe you'll lose the nick name "wrong in everything". Also let your mind explore avenues you weren't thinking existed. And lastly, be mellow. Look at me? Mellow. Don't be absolut in your opinions because that's what they are and take an easy approach to things. A compassionate one. Act like you're walking or thin ice when talking about hings you are not 100% sure of. That's a start

Where do you get the idea that it is now a slum?

[I AM I AM I AM MOBIUS]

this is a great threated

[dannubis]

gulag is a Russian word...

[dannubis]

oh here you go editing and editing. Now I have to re-read it. I'll give you some time to complete your thoughts. Every time I write something you edit. something in

Maybe you should take some time to do the same. I thought you stopped drinking?