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  • No. In that respect I don't blame the turks not even one bit.
    it was not their culture, they weren't supposed to protect it

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    • Come what may........
      The UK economy contracted by 0.2% between April and June, its worst performance for more than six years.
      “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

      ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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      • That 0.2 figure will most likely be revised upward as that is what usually happens. It is still soft meaning people are waiting to see but not exqctly q recession in the making.
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        • UK is going down the drain and what's more it is now even more ridiculous than dinner with that clown PM.

          And that's no small feat

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          • The UK has already lost billions of pounds, its economy is in a downward spiral, and it will end with Ireland united and Scotland in the EU. Brits live in a constant state of bewelderment and fear, pretty soon the 600 million market next door will be closed, visas will be revoked and the island monkies will be confined to their island.

            **** dinner and **** the UK

            (hopefully the greek state can organize a black ops as london is burning to the ground and retrieve the marbles)

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            • Only Corbyn can save them now

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              • Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • The EU remains fundamentally anti-democratic in its nature and the UK people are correct to say no matter what the future brings they want to be the people who govern themselves instead of unelected or illegitimate foreign rules. That has always been the fundamental issue and that has not changed.

                  Yes, in the short term there will be disruption, the Eurocrats are doing everything in their power to make the disruption as bad as they possibly can, which is just another reason to leave and get out from under that threat, but the medium to long term will most certainly be better. Even if it wasn’t, which I do not for one second believe, then at least it will be British people democratically deciding their own future for themselves.

                  BTW all of this remains entirely true. Take a few minutes to watch this excellent speech.


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                  • Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                    The EU remains fundamentally anti-democratic in its nature and the UK people are correct to say no matter what the future brings they want to be the people who govern themselves instead of unelected or illegitimate foreign rules. That has always been the fundamental issue and that has not changed.

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                    They don't say this. It is quite obvious that even among the Brexiters only a small percentage wants a No Deal-Brexit
                    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                    • USA federal government is fundamentally undemocratic in its nature, time for a Texit

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                      • Will the UK redesign their flag after NI and Scotland leave?

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                        • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post

                          They don't say this. It is quite obvious that even among the Brexiters only a small percentage wants a No Deal-Brexit
                          You have reading comprehension problems. The video is from 2013, well before the Brexit debate, and does not even mention no deal. Just watch the video as it deals with why the EU is fundamentally an anti-democratic system. That in and of itself is an excellent reason for Brexit in my mind especially since the EU is unreformable.

                          Now, wrt what Brexit voters want, for which you are a very poor source on that topic, many indeed would like a fair deal. It doesn’t matter though as the Eurocrats have made it perfectly clear they have zero interest in any fair deals. So it is going to be no deal, and that will be far better in the long run anyway, simply because the EU is unwilling to play ball as they are obsessed with punishment. Parliament rejected that deal three times and legally it may not be brought up for any additional votes without massive changes, changes unelected demogogues like Junckers claims can not happen, so I look forward to the success of no deal. Yes, there will be an adjustment period, yes, several EU states including the UK will suffer brief recessions but in the end many, many, many nations will be happy to sign free trade deals with the UK. It even gives the UK a chance to reform their system to remove waste and excess regulation so that it eventually emerges stronger and more competitive than ever.
                          Last edited by Dinner; August 11, 2019, 21:04.
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                          • Originally posted by giblets View Post
                            Will the UK redesign their flag after NI and Scotland leave?
                            That is simply not going to happen.
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                            • Originally posted by Dinner View Post

                              That is simply not going to happen.
                              Opinion polling seems to indicate that NI would vote to leave the UK if a "hard" brexit happened and it's unclear how Scotland would vote.

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                              • Originally posted by giblets View Post

                                Opinion polling seems to indicate that NI would vote to leave the UK if a "hard" brexit happened and it's unclear how Scotland would vote.
                                It seems like, in contrast to North Ireland, the scots need the permission of London to hold a Leave Referendum.
                                So, London might force the scots to stay, just by forbidding them to hold a Scotxit-Referendum
                                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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