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  • "Open Immigration Is Good for the Economy"--article by myself

    Hi folks. You might remember me from ages ago. Judging by the first page of the OT Kidicious seems to have changed from lefty to...pro tax cuts? That's the only change I've seen so far.

    Thought I'd get some views on the below piece because I remember posting here ages ago back when these forums were packed with debate. I wonder if that's still the case? We'll see.

    Anyway here it is:


    What do Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and Freddie Mercury have in common? They were all refugees who made extraordinary contributions to their fields. Societies who welcome refugees and migrants benefit from their contributions and the jobs they create. Opening our doors to migrants, rather than detaining them on Manus Island or elsewhere, would make us far wealthier.

    Detaining Refugees

    Australia and the West have a troubled history of dealing with refugees, largely because of community concerns about their impact. From the 80,000 refugee visas issued annually worldwide, Australia grants about 6,000, which is not much compared to the one million displaced refugees worldwide. We’re saving a small suburb’s worth of people while leaving an entire nation's worth destitute and threatened.

    The government discourages refugees from seeking asylum by detaining those who attempt the risky sea voyage from Indonesia to Australia in detention camps on Manus Island and Nauru, built and operated using billions of Australian taxpayer dollars. While 14,000 refugees live in Indonesia, it’s no permanent home: its government bans them from working. Since 2013, detainees are banned from settling in Australia and have refused offers to resettle in its dangerous, unstable neighbor, Papua New Guinea.


    The US recently promised to take 1250 refugees, but in the meantime, over 1000 remain detained, including 196 with rejected asylum claims who could be detained permanently. They have been imprisoned for four years and describe themselves as physically and mentally broken. The humane solution is to welcome them, but community fears prevent this from happening.

    That’s why it’s important to understand that welcoming refugees would leave us wealthier, as we could benefit from their contributions.

    In 1999, Dr. Munjed Al Muderis, an Iraqi refugee, fled Saddam Hussein’s former regime because he refused a command to cut off the ears of Iraqi army deserters. Today, Dr. Al Muderis is an Australian professor in orthopaedics who developed new implant-based prosthetic limbs. Western countries need doctors because of their aging populations. Immigrants can help by making services like medical care more readily available.

    Immigration and Economic Growth

    Immigrants also create local jobs by opening businesses. One American study finds that immigrants are twice as likely to open businesses. 27.5% of American businesspeople are immigrants, whereas they make up only 13% of its population. Google is now a multi-billion dollar company with 72,000 employees thanks to its refugee co-founder, Sergey Brin. An Australian study indicates that almost 10% of refugees run businesses. Perhaps immigrants often possess entrepreneurial traits because immigration can involve risk-taking, strategic thinking, and hard work.

    When there’s a shortage of local workers, immigrants can fill the gap and help local businesses grow. For example, entrepreneur Jonathan Barouch notes that IT businesses face recruitment problems because "technical roles such as software engineers, product managers and user interface and user experience experts are incredibly difficult to fill locally." Hiring experienced immigrants means they can work with locals and supervise trainees. This saves companies from moving overseas, which benefits local workers and businesses.

    Australia's twenty years of unending economic growthis also partly due to its openness to immigration. Immigrants make up over half of Australia’s population growth for the last two decades and a quarter of its population. The recent Western Australian mining boom, a key contributor to economic growth, was fuelled by immigrant workers which businesses hired to take advantage of increased demand for mining resources. Consequently, one third of Western Australians are immigrants.

    Studies have also shown that immigration does not generally affect local unemployment, job security or wages. That’s because the economy does not have a fixed amount of jobs for people to compete for. Immigration increases the number of jobs available because immigrants are new customers for local businesses. This helps businesses grow to meet increased demand for their services.

    While immigration increases demand for infrastructure and housing, it also encourages businesses to build more. After all, there would be very little infrastructure and very low living standards if the local population consisted of two men and some tumbleweeds. Rather than cutting immigration, we should encourage more construction to reduce housing prices and infrastructure shortages.

    Helping refugees doesn't have to hit taxpayers' wallets. For example, Canadian charities have privately funded over two hundred thousand refugees' long-term living costs over thirty years. One Canadian businessman, Jim Estill, generously gave over $1 million to house over 200 Syrian refugees, provide them with English lessons and help them with setting up businesses so as to reduce reliance on welfare. In principle, anyone should be allowed to privately fund a refugee's living costs.

    Refugees could also seek asylum without risking unsafe sea voyages if carrier sanction laws are repealed. These laws impose fines on airlines for carrying passengers without visas to Australia, the US and the EU, leading many refugees to drown while sailing on unseaworthy boats. Refugees could simply buy cheap plane tickets if these laws were scrapped.

    Opening our doors to immigrants and refugees benefits us, their hosts, and saves them from persecution. We could welcome the next tech giant founder or life-saving surgeon. Welcoming refugees and immigrants is not just humane, it's good for the economy.
    What do Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Google co-founder Sergey Brin and Freddie Mercury have in common? They were all refugees who made extraordinary contributions to their fields. Societies who welcome refugees and migrants benefit from their contributions and the jobs they create. Opening our doors to migrants, rather than detaining them would make us far wealthier.
    "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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    Sup. I'm AAHZ. I'm like EVC except I've been known to fight OTHER people.

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    • #3
      Hi Zevico!

      Thanks for coming back for a visit and sharing your article. Very good article.

      Yes I'm a national conservative (American variety) now. I used to be open borders advocate, as you mentioned. I think 9-11 might have been the turning point for me although I didn't start identifying as conservative for seven more years. I was a teacher then, in 2001, in an inner city school. I remember that flags very popular for a short time. People put them on their car. I wore a flag shirt one day to work. This was maybe a week after 9-11. Some students threw rocks at me from behind me. None hit me, but I stopped displaying the flag because I realized that the students (many of whom either immigrated to the US illegally or were second generation, didn't like the flag, and didn't even have sympathy for people who did shortly after the worst terrorist attack ever against Americans.

      Now you should know that the school I taught at is a failing school. It didn't used to be. It used to be successful before the demographics of the area changed, that is before so many illegal immigrants moved into the community.

      Never the less I was still a leftist for seven more years after this experience, but I was a very disturbed leftist with a lot of anxiety over my beliefs. After all, how was I to believe that these students would one day become productive citizens. The fact is that they mostly ended up in prison, on welfare or shot dead by a gang member.

      But maybe you Aussies have a different experience. I know that your economy is doing very well. However, one point I will make is that it is not fuelled by immigration. It is fuelled by demand for raw materials from China, who's own growth is fuelled by demand for finished goods from the United States among other places. This has all happened because our open borders advocates here in the US have opened our markets to China and our capitalists have poured resources into that country and eliminated many jobs. Many communities in the U.S. have been destroyed, which does not happen without political consequences. Your well reasoned argument falls on deaf ears to the people who are harmed by open borders policies. You can't make a rational argument and expect people to be irrational to believe it.

      So the argument isn't over whether open borders creates growth or not. It does create a bit of growth over all (but not much), but whether or not it creates growth for your particular country or community.

      The other point of contention I have with your argument is your claim that we are going to get doctors, entrepreneurs and scientists with an open borders policy. Obviously, to a person with my experience this is ridiculous. They aren't coming over like that (with a few exceptions) and our schools aren't teaching them to be like that. And the important point is that our schools are broken in large part because of illegal immigration. So a few examples of great immigrant citizens does not make up for the masses that do not contribute to society. You have to take the group as a whole. They have to bring an equal portion of doctors with them or the country will suffer shortages and prices will rise.

      I look forward to your response.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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      • #4
        Sergey Brin was not a refugee. He was a legal immigrate who came with his parents to the US at a young age. You seem to be confusing the term refugee with immigrant when they mean two entirely different things. Heck, most people who claim to be refugees aren't which is why the vast majority of cases get declined. It is an often abused process to get around regular immigration rules.

        My personal opinion is that the government of Australia is being extremely responsible and that its policies of not allowing illegal boat people in saves countless lives by discouraging people from taking long sea voyages in unsuitable boats. They do sponsor people who are genuine refugees and who follow the legal process to both Australia itself or to third party countries to which they have signed treaties with.

        It is true that more people generally means more total aggregate demand in an economy but you have to also take into account if there is housing available, if those people are employable, if they culturally will be able to adapt or if they will, as so often happens, simply ghettoize, contribute to crime, and burden the taxpayers with excessive use of the welfare state. Australia does have a very restrictive immigration policy and they likely could benefit economically by allowing more in IF they are selective about it and target skilled immigrants who speak English and who are likely to adapt and be self sufficient the way Canada does. Personally, I think the US currently has bad policies which let in way to many unskilled people who drive down pay for native born low skilled workers and who excessively make use of the welfare state. The US especially would benefit from a more selective process similar to the one Canada currently has.
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        • #5
          When it comes to actual refugees, not economic migrants falsely pretebding to be refugees, Canada does a pretty good job while most of the EU is a dismal failure. 1) Canada does not let any of them in until AFTER their asylum case has been accepted. 2) Canada makes a good effort to help people culturally adapt and get job skills so they can transition to work 3) Critically, the refugee is also told if he fails to make sufficient progress or fails to adapt or if he commits crime then he can have his refugee status revoked and then he gets deported.

          That is how it should be done. Everyone is vetted first, only the most vulnerable get in, lots of help to integrate and adapt, but those who fail or break the law get kicked out in short order. Now, that is a good system.
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          • #6
            California has the worst immigration policy in the world.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • #7
              How does it differ from the US's?
              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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              • #8
                Canada? No chain migration where one person gets in then their whole extebded family comes over to sign up for welfare. In Canada the people who come over have to have skills Canada needs, thry have to hold down a job, and actually obey the law on pain of deportation. They also have to learn one of the two national languages and successfully integrate or they get told "Sorry, we gave you a chance and spent a lot of money trying to help you but you were to lazy/criminally inclined/not motivated enough so now you will be shown the door. They actually let in mire than we do as a percentage of population but it skews towards the educated and people who are actually employable. There extended family does not get to vome unless they can meet the requirements on their own.
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                • #9
                  Nope, Rah refers to California ... as Kid said that California has the worst immigration policy in the world
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                  Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                  • #10
                    I, happily, haven't seen a Kid post in months. It has been wonderful.
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                    • #11
                      Ah, the wonders of the ignore list
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                        California has the worst immigration policy in the world.
                        Yah, they let just anyone from Oklahoma cross into their borders ...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                          I, happily, haven't seen a Kid post in months. It has been wonderful.
                          That's why you remain an ignorant Californian. Enjoy the sunshine and the illegals.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rah View Post
                            How does it differ from the US's?
                            The murderers get off.... cause Trump.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • #15
                              So your answer is there is no difference to the actual law?
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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